Please advise on second carry.

Arek,

The Springfield SOCOM is a variant of the M1A Service rifle chambered in .308 Winchester/7.62x51 NATO. It is a highly reliable and battle proven design capable of making accurate shots out to 800 meters while still being an effective platform for CQB (close quarters battle). When loaded with any practical ammunition that I can think of it will is more capable of stopping power than a 1911 in .45 ACP.

The reason that many of us have suggested a rifle as opposed to the 460 is because a rifle is much more capable of being used at distance and when you are in a SHTF situation you will be glad to have a rifle in your hands! The increased capacity and handling/accuracy will make a difference. I'm not experienced hunting black bear but I would imagine that a .308 will suffice, but you also mentioned worrying about hostiles wearing body armor. I know from personal experience that when working on a two way firing range that capacity makes a huge difference as does reload speed. With the 460 although it is accurate and capable of defeating armor the capacity and speed of reloading makes it impractical for use as a main arm against a potentially armored bad guy. The M1A as with most battle styled .308 rifles have a standard magazine capacity of 20 rounds and being magazine fed allows you to reload relatively quickly. If you do chose to go with a rifle styled like this there are several offerings available from approximately $600 and up.

The other option that I'm not sure has been mentioned yet is rechambering your 1911 to .460 Rowland. The .460 Rowland is comparable to the .44 Magnum round and your 1911 is easily converted with a new barrel and recoil spring while still using the same magazines and other parts.

The other thing that is most essential is no matter which firearm you decide to use for protection and daily carry is that you practice and become intimately familiar with every function of your firearm so that you can use it simply by muscle memory. This is extremely important for any situation that your life may depend on. I believe the old saying is "luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity."
 
Arek,

You postings give me pause to ask a few questions.
Why do you think you will need to be armed against human threat in "a wilderness situation in CO?

You state "Springfield SOCOM in 308 looks like a rifle that could take out a bear at even 500 meters. What caliber is it? I need something powerful on the level of 1911 45 acp."

A 308 is a lot more powerful than a 45 acp. Why with your limited knowledge of firearms do you think a 460 S&W is the answer?

I do not intend to cause you any strif, but this all seems a little strange to me.

John
 
BUT.....after some research I have found that the Alaska state troopers carry 10mm's. They do this because this round can take down a grizzly bear.

Not recommended. If you must shoot a griz with a hand gun save at least one round. You will know what to do with it when the time comes. Jim
 
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Arek,

You postings give me pause to ask a few questions.
Why do you think you will need to be armed against human threat in "a wilderness situation in CO?

You state "Springfield SOCOM in 308 looks like a rifle that could take out a bear at even 500 meters. What caliber is it? I need something powerful on the level of 1911 45 acp."

A 308 is a lot more powerful than a 45 acp. Why with your limited knowledge of firearms do you think a 460 S&W is the answer?

I do not intend to cause you any strif, but this all seems a little strange to me.

John

Just what I was thinking.
.308 FMJ can defeat any body that can be obtained by most people with no plate insert.
Maybe pot growers out there have such armor......:(
 
I suggest a s&w model 686 .357 magnum revolver with a 4 inch barrel. This particular gun is small enough that it can be carried but yet if you have to shoot it the recoil won't hurt to much.

NO WAY.

Rifle 6.8 and .308.

.44 magnum to carry. No less than 4" mountain gun. Definitely not over 6" because its too much to carry. Larger calibers than .44 I have only shot in black powder rifles.
 
I would carry two firearms, one would be a 44MAG handgun and the other would be a 44MAG lever gun. Why carry two different cartridges? Also I chose the lever gun due to speed and it holding more rounds than that of a bolt action.

James
 
I would carry two firearms, one would be a 44MAG handgun and the other would be a 44MAG lever gun. Why carry two different cartridges?
James


460 cartridge is way more powerful than any other gun. It even has more power than s&w 500. Thus when and if 44 is not enough there is power at hand as a back up.

As the golden saying says "Better to have and not need than need and not have".
 
Thrifty: you've bought into the hype without doing any homework. The bigger the flash, the bigger the recoil, the bigger the pricetag and the shinier the gun under the lights DOES NOT make it more effective at killing something no matter what the Terminator is saying in Hollywood.

What makes a firearm effective is your ability to put the bullets on target, at a variety of ranges, in a variety of lighting conditions, under a variety of stress levels (yours).

If you can snap up a gun and hit a pie plate reliably in three seconds... you're starting to get somewhere. I can do it with my .44 magnum at close range, my .38 spl a little farther out, my 12 gauge easily (even if the plate is flying through the air or rolling on the ground) and my .303 British, .308 Win or .338 win mag. a couple hundred yards out. With more time, my effective range increases.

Can you hit small targets reliably with a .22 long rifle?
How about your .45 acp?

There is a reason the U.S. Army uses the 5.56 mm & 7.62 mm Nato rounds (also known as the .223 Rem. & .308 Win.) for most rifles. Most people can hit and kill reliably with them, with open sights out to 300 meters. I hit 37 out of 40 pop up human sized targets over a variety of ranges (25 m headshots to 300 m whole torso) when I qualified with my M16-A2 (5.56) at Ft. Benning,GA. I could not have done that with a 460 handgun.

Get past the blast and start shooting some grapefruit. Start hunting small game. Start hunting large game. Learn the woods, how to sneak and maybe take a defensive course on how to move under fire, use cover effectively and return fire.

Or just buy into the hype, buy the big shiny gun, squeeze the trigger as fast as you can and play it like a musical instrument. Might work. C.B.
 
When I'm out a bustin' doggies on my horse, ole' flapjack, I carry a little piece made by Dillon Aero. Not sure what caliber it is - in fact I don't care. It's one of them ole' gatlin guns - 'cept with a motor attached. I just slap 'er in the scabbard where I used to carry the Winchester and then slide the battery and 1300 round ammo can in the saddlebags with the coffee pot, cast iron skillet, etc...
 
A .44 magnum is easy to carry in the 4" or under variety. It can be concealed under a light cover garment, especially if it has a round butt or boot grip. It will stop any soft target, and is better than a sharp stick against an angry bear. It takes practice to deal a fast second shot (or more), but definitely possible.

Marlin .44 magnum carbines have a 1:18 twist and an oversized bore. You will get keyholes unless you slug the barrel and size accordingly. I would pick a Marlin 45-70 Scout over the .44 in a heartbeat. It's a 6# rifle with real thump, and up to 7+1 rounds to go (5+1 is typical).

The SOCOM 16 is a shortened M1a (37.5") weighing just under 9# dry. It's a bit much to carry unless you use a sling, weak side, muzzle down, with one of those funny balloons over the muzzle to exclude mud and junk. The penetration of 7.62x51 is legendary, and the SOCOM is good to 300 yards or better. Mine will hold a 1" group at 100 yards without trying hard. The compensator is very effective - you could put out 5 semi-aimed shots in 2 seconds. The 1:11" twist works best with 162 to 168 grain BTHPs.

For varmints wearing armor, an M25, a white feather (and a posse) would seem about right.
 
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Well, gee, my Marlin 44 mags don't know that they are supoose to keyhole----all the holes touch with my two 44 mags. SHHuuuussshhh! Don't tell them. LOL

A 45-70 is a better cart., no doubt about it. ;)

John
 
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