Post Bruen & the USPS

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Do you guys think that we will see a change to the policy of the US Postal service to allow lawful carry by licensee on the premises, or inside the buildings?

I would suspect that they would make a policy similar to the US Parks, where they followed (mirrored?) local CCW laws.
 
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Highly unlikely unless there is further legal action and the SCOTUS rules that bans on carry in government buildings/facilities is unconstitutional. I doubt the SCOTUS would go that far.
 
An interesting angle to all these unconstitutional restrictions on "gov property"

Gov property is paid for and maintains by Public Funds

Public Funds sourced from all of our pockets

Would that not create a Nexus, for all Americans to actually be partial owners of said "gov property" based on said property being paid for by all Americans

Therefore Americans cannot be denied the ability to carry on "gov property" due to the Nexus of funds that creates the partial or co-op ownership
 
No. I have witnessed a postal inspector run a county police officer out of a lobby, explaining that checking one's PO Box was not part of official duty and the officer was prohibited from entering the place armed.

When I was an LEO, I was required to carry concealed when I was off duty. That included getting my mail at the local post office.
 
When I was an LEO, I was required to carry concealed when I was off duty. That included getting my mail at the local post office.


In all fairness to the Postal Inspector, the county officer looked like a person who resided under a bridge on I-285, smelled of alcohol, and had a Colt .380 stuck in his waistband. It was hard to determine if he was unkempt or undercover as he always looked like that. I delivered mail to the apartment complex he lived in.
 
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When I was an LEO, I was required to carry concealed when I was off duty. That included getting my mail at the local post office.

So you openly admit you violated federal law?
 
I would suspect that they would make a policy similar to the US Parks, where they followed (mirrored?) local CCW laws.

I was under the impression that carry in buildings at parks was a no-no.

In a similar vein, the Corps of Engineers does not permit carry which means that if you are hiking while carrying and the trail goes across a dam, you could be arrested.

Per 36 CFR § 327.13, carry anywhere on Corps property is illegal unless written permission has been received from the District Commander. Firearms can be unloaded and secured in a vehicle while on Corps property.
 
BTW, you can carry in a post office if you are actively involved in hunting.
 
Why should a "County Police Officer" be granted special permissions because of his choice of employment?

That same police officer would put the cuffs on you faster than you could say "muh 2nd amendment rights" if you did the same.

No kidding. Didn't arrest the guy, didn't cite him. Telling someone to leave when they're breaking the law you're there in part to enforce doesn't seem like a bad outcome here.
 
A lot depends on the post office. When I was a LEO, I would go into the local post office and drop off mail, buy stamps, etc. The postal employees were always friendly, including the postmaster.

Years later, when working as an armed security office, working in a Federal office building, I would go into the local post office (different state) and all of the postal employees were very friendly, including the postmaster or postmistress.
 
I'm curious as to how this guy came across a postal inspector in the first place, especially in the lobby of a post office. Something going on here in the background we do not know. I know all 4 postal inspectors in my area and they cover half of two states.
 
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So you openly admit you violated federal law?

If you care to interpret it that way, I and every other LEO I knew at the time did exactly that.

My point was that we were required to carry a firearm at all times on the premise that we were never entirely "off duty". It was understood that we could at any time come upon or be called to respond to a situation that required us to be armed.

In other words, we were never entirely off duty and carrying concealed between formal shifts was still part of our *official duties*. And to my knowledge none of the officers I worked with ever had a post master or other postal employee object. That was probably because they;
- had a reasonable degree of common sense;
- understood the congressional intent of the law; and
- did not want to create a threat to law enforcement officers, understanding why law enforcement officers who were known in the community might not want to go to the post office if it was known that they would be unarmed and an easier target.

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But let's assume an over zealous prosecutor wants to go with your overly narrow read of the law, one that is clearly well in excess of the legislative intent.

As you no doubt are aware the average citizen not only cannot bring a handgun into the post office, they also cannot have one on postal property, so it cannot legally be left locked in the person's vehicle. Under your narrow read of the law that would also apply to police officers.

For a police officer then, this would mean they can also not leave their side arm (as well as rifle or shot gun in a weapon rack pr truncated) in their patrol car or personal vehicle depending on whether they are on or off duty.

That means they would have to leave their guns at home while going to the post office, in violation of their terms of employment and specified "off duty" responsibility to carry a sidearm as a condition of employment and an official duty.
 
I'm curious as to how this guy came across a postal inspector in the first place, especially in the lobby of a post office. Something going on here in the background we do not know. I know all 4 postal inspectors in my area and they cover half of two states.


Postal Inspectors can enter a facility from the outside or inside. The older buildings have elevated "catwalks" for the purpose of spying on employees. Inspectors probably refer to that as "keeping watch". Newer facilities are outfitted with cameras and a control room where an Inspector can sit and watch or review video. Such is part of their job.
 
It is legal to mail guns, so as packages firearms can be on postal premises.

However, there was an incident at the Crown Road facility in metro Atlanta back in the early nineties where a postal employee who was also a part-time LEO was arrested for having firearms in his parked car. He was terminated. I do not know what agency initiated the arrest (USPS Inspection Service, Atlanta PD, county SO, etc.) but it did seem to be due to a supervisor/employee conflict.
 
Just so I get my week with a tank . . .

An interesting angle to all these unconstitutional restrictions on "gov property"

Gov property is paid for and maintains by Public Funds

Public Funds sourced from all of our pockets

Would that not create a Nexus, for all Americans to actually be partial owners of said "gov property" based on said property being paid for by all Americans

Therefore Americans cannot be denied the ability to carry on "gov property" due to the Nexus of funds that creates the partial or co-op ownership
 
About 20 years ago we had to return a pile of SIG handguns to the company. We were returning test samples from a departmental evaluation. For some reason SIG wanted them shipped USPS. We brought them into the post office, in shipping boxes, on a couple of 2-wheeler carts. 6 or 7 of us were armed to the teeth in our polo shirts and tan shorts, our range wear. No one batted an eye. Oddly, only one old timer there knew how to do the paperwork. He took care of us, though.
FWIW
 
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