Post Bruen & the USPS

[Muss Muggins]

OMG, you are on a roll today!! Please, what other absurd thoughts do you have today?

This morning, before everyone else got up, I changed the name of the home WiFi to "No Connections Are Available."

 

[Yaworski]

The Federal Government cannot own anything that isn't supported by taxes.

Citation ?

 

[Yaworski]

I'm guessing I probably shouldn't dive into the fact that the vast majority of physical post offices, especially rural areas, are actually leased from private developers, and the leases may or may not include control of adjoining parking . . .

This was discussed at great length on another gun forum. As I recall, if the post office was standalone, the parking lot is considered part of the post office. However, if the post office is part of a strip mall, mall, or in a store, the parking lot is not part of the post office.

 

[Piwo]

I don't know of any LEO in today's climate that would be slow to respond to a call for help from another officer. Even a contract security guard . . .

I second that...In my time, I don't care if you were just desecrating a police uniform in the street, we all went. Let alone actually harming an officer, Federal, State, Local or private.

 

[BB57]

If this is true, then it isn't a government building, but a private business. If that is the case, they can't restrict you from carrying firearms in some states. They can ask you to leave and if not you can be charged with trespassing.

The Federal Government cannot own anything that isn't supported by taxes.

Rosewood

Most government office space has been leased since the Reagan era. It was one of those weird moments where the powers that be tried to justify that it was cheaper to sell off government office space and then lease it back. It did allow for some quick cash, and then more importantly allowed political chronys to buy up the space and make millions leasing it back to the occupants.

Potomac Center Plaza has been leased by the government since its construction in 2003, and was leased despite not meeting the post 9-11 set back requirements. The fact that VP at the time Dick Cheney was among the investors I am sure had nothing to do with it. <wink, wink, nudge nudge>

Immigration and Customs Enforcement has leased the north tower of Potomac Center plaza since 2010. They'll differ with if you on their right at arrest and charge you if you try to walk in there with a weapon.

 

[rosewood]

Most government office space has been leased since the Reagan era. It was one of those weird moments where the powers that be tried to justify that it was cheaper to sell off government office space and then lease it back. It did allow for some quick cash, and then more importantly allowed political chronys to buy up the space and make millions leasing it back to the occupants.

Potomac Center Plaza has been leased by the government since its construction in 2003, and was leased despite not meeting the post 9-11 set back requirements. The fact that VP at the time Dick Cheney was among the investors I am sure had nothing to do with it. <wink, wink, nudge nudge>

Immigration and Customs Enforcement has leased the north tower of Potomac Center plaza since 2010. They'll differ with if you on their right at arrest and charge you if you try to walk in there with a weapon.

I see your point, but they are still Government paid employees and the government is using tax dollars to lease those buildings. If the Post Office is self sustaining and doesn't use tax dollars, in my mind it is a different situation. The employees are technically not government employees if they are not being paid by tax dollars.

Rosewood

 

[Muss Muggins]

You're firmly convinced of this, and it's clear this discussion isn't going to change your thoughts. All I can say is "Call your first witness . . . "

I see your point, but they are still Government paid employees and the government is using tax dollars to lease those buildings. If the Post Office is self sustaining and doesn't use tax dollars, in my mind it is a different situation. The employees are technically not government employees if they are not being paid by tax dollars.

Rosewood

 

[LenS]

I always wondered about local officers in uniform carrying in a USPO.


When I lived in MA, our local USPO had a sign on the door asking anyone who heard the alarm go off or saw something out of sorts to call the local PD. They are the "first responders" to anything local as postal inspectors could be many miles/hours away.


Also, since the USPS prohibition of firearms is a federal regulation/law, local/state LE can not enforce it. So if one would be arrested, it would have to be by a federal agent, not a local/state LEO.

 

[bwade]

Any USPS employee to include a Postal Inspector would have to be completely stupid to "enforce" Federal law to have a uniformed LE removed or charged from the public USPS spaces. With all the homeless, drunks, and thieves that need to see a police presence in the Post Office to even think about behaving, it would be so counterproductive to run off the officers... Anyone with common sense would welcome the officers and hope there is a sense of omnipresence with them showing up occasionally.

 

[John_M52]

Even LEOSA does not authorize you to carry in a Post Office (Gov't Building, etc) so I think it's unlikely that private citizens will be granted that ability.

I went into a large IRS office once, unarmed, but the security guard saw my badge in the x-ray and insisted on seeing the badge himself before letting me in the building. Still wondering what that was about.

 

[jake1945]

The anterior lobby of the Post Office in Arcadia, CA is where the homeless go to **** at night!