Potentially, an unpopular question!

[lrrifleman]

In many reloading posts, it's very hard to not see that many do not like the SPP variant of traditionally LPP cartridges. It is not uncommon to see people comment that they trash SPP versions of the 45 ACP.

My question is, with what looks like a trend to shift production of 45 ACP to the unpopular SPP due to shortages (?) of LPPs, has anyone seen any of the following traditionally LPP primer cartridges released for SPP?

Specifically asking about: 41 Magnum, 44 Special, 44 Magnum, and 45 Long Colt?

As always, thanks in advance for your help!

 

[max]

.45acp is all I have seen or am aware of. I have not bought a factory round in any of the calibers you mentioned in over 30 years.

 

[Mike SC Hunter]

Some in a private range scrap I picked up. I tossed them into these into the scrap brass bucket.

 

[3rdgeargrndrr]

How many of us practice our 3 point shot to the trash with SP 45 brass?
Could I have saved up a couple hundred of em? Sure, but it just aint right

Have seen 10mm coming out as SPP and some 308 brass coming in SRP but the benchrest guys usually keep those for themselves and not found loose at the range.

 

[austintexas]

primers

My grandson says he saves 45 ACP with small primer pockets for the times that large pistol primers become scarce and hard to find. He just changes over to small primers until large ones become available again. That way he always has brass to reload.
SWCA 892
PS, he also has 6.5 Creedmore brass with large and small primer pockets.

 

[SGT ROCK 11B]

It never bother me. I just toss SPP in the SPP bucket I use for range pickups.

LPP once fired goes into its own bucket and LPP range pickup buckle. When I shot competition I was OCD on the brass. Not so much today.

 

[BC38]

The only "switch" from LPP to SPP that I have seen is in a couple of brands of 45ACP.
That's not to say that there haven't been any ammo manufacturers who have changed their brass to SPP for other calibers starting with a 4.
They may have, but so far I haven't seen it anywhere.
I can't say why, since 45ACP seems to work just fine with SPPs.
Maybe the ammo manufacturers have seen how much negative pushback there has been for SPP 45ACP and they've decided that it wasn't worthwhile to convert other LPP calibers to SPP?
Just a thought....

 

[old tanker]

The only "switch" from LPP to SPP that I have seen is in a couple of brands of 45ACP.
That's not to say that there haven't been any ammo manufacturers who have changed their brass to SPP for other calibers starting with a 4.
They may have, but so far I haven't seen it anywhere.
I can't say why, since 45ACP seems to work just fine with SPPs.
Maybe the ammo manufacturers have seen how much negative pushback there has been for SPP 45ACP and they've decided that it wasn't worthwhile to convert other LPP calibers to SPP?
Just a thought....

The only other pistol brass using small pistol primers I have come across is Fiocchi .455 Webley.

 

[Nightowl]

I would opine that there is little, if any performance difference. However, it's just another complication I do not want in reloading!! or live, for that matter. I also do not buy or keep any short Hornaday brass! But, that's just me, as I already have more empty cases than I will ever use up!

 

[AJ]

I have only seen .45ACP and 10MM variants of the SPP controversy. I do not throw them away when I find them. I keep them in separate containers labeled as such. Saving them for a rainy day if needed.

 

[max503]

I am glad the have the choice of using SPP's or large. Sorting doesn't bother me. I don't shoot that much. I reload in lots of 50-100 so it's no big deal.

 

[minconrevo]

One could consider the ammo makers as being pragmatic by adjusting their manufacture to the primer size they have available to them at the time they load. Guess private reloaders need to consider adopting the same. I used to scrap SP .45ACP brass; no more, as it now goes into it's own sort box.

 

[Model19man]

I got some 38WCF brass made in the 1890's and was quite surprised that it had small pistol primers! There has been no shortage of large pistol primers around here just Large Rifle primers have been non stock since I don't know when.

I put the 38 WCF brass back in the box. Like 45 ACP brass I have no shortage of ones with large pistol primers and don't need the confusion of having both on my reload bench.

 

[mikld]

The only real excuse I have seen is progressive press users that don't like to inspect their brass prior to dumping it into the case hopper. Everything else sounds like "my grandpa, my pa used large pistol primers and if it was good enough for them, it's good enough for me"...

 

[reddog81]

Look at the powder charges used in 45 ACP compared to 44 Magnum. 5 grains of fast powder will ignite fine with a SPP. I’m not sure using a SPP with 20+ grains of slow pistol powder in 44 Mag makes sense.

 

[Yendor357]

I wish just about everything but the big Magnum rifle brass was Small.

If you have a Dillon 550, you know what a pain it is to change the primer feed. I don’t change the primer feed on my Dillon anymore. I leave it large and hand prime 9 MM with my Frankfort Arsenal hand primer.

I’ll bet it’d be no problem to ignite 296 in 44Mag with a small magnum primer.

 

[scattershot]

My grandson says he saves 45 ACP with small primer pockets for the times that large pistol primers become scarce and hard to find. He just changes over to small primers until large ones become available again. That way he always has brass to reload.
SWCA 892
PS, he also has 6.5 Creedmore brass with large and small primer pockets.

Same here. I have a stash of SPP.45 ACP. I wish thosse who pitch theirs would sen them to me.

I haven’ seen any other LPP brass switching to SPP yet.

 

[STORMINORMAN]

Personally I prefer SPPs for my 45acp & 10mm reloads and purchased said brass specifically for that reason: there are many more options for SPPs and their much better availability is also a factor IMHO...

Cheers!

 

[mckenney99]

I may be remembering incorrectly, but I believe shortly after the 10mm became more popular and more manufacturers started to load it, the 10mm also has been loaded with LPP & SPP.

 

[tom2]

OK I admit not having loaded .45's in many years. I always shot them outdoors and I just got tired of searching for autoloader brass in the grass. The only auto ammo I save is for .30 cal rifles. Much cheaper to load carbine ammo or M1 ammo than buy it nowadays, or even find it. Wonder what the reasoning was for specifying the large primer was to begin with. Like, is there more chance of off center hits in auto pistols where the barrel moves as part of the cycle? Or what?