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In many reloading posts, it's very hard to not see that many do not like the SPP variant of traditionally LPP cartridges. It is not uncommon to see people comment that they trash SPP versions of the 45 ACP.

My question is, with what looks like a trend to shift production of 45 ACP to the unpopular SPP due to shortages (?) of LPPs, has anyone seen any of the following traditionally LPP primer cartridges released for SPP?

Specifically asking about: 41 Magnum, 44 Special, 44 Magnum, and 45 Long Colt?

As always, thanks in advance for your help!
 
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How many of us practice our 3 point shot to the trash with SP 45 brass?
Could I have saved up a couple hundred of em? Sure, but it just aint right

Have seen 10mm coming out as SPP and some 308 brass coming in SRP but the benchrest guys usually keep those for themselves and not found loose at the range.
 
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My grandson says he saves 45 ACP with small primer pockets for the times that large pistol primers become scarce and hard to find. He just changes over to small primers until large ones become available again. That way he always has brass to reload.
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PS, he also has 6.5 Creedmore brass with large and small primer pockets.
 
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The only "switch" from LPP to SPP that I have seen is in a couple of brands of 45ACP.
That's not to say that there haven't been any ammo manufacturers who have changed their brass to SPP for other calibers starting with a 4.
They may have, but so far I haven't seen it anywhere.
I can't say why, since 45ACP seems to work just fine with SPPs.
Maybe the ammo manufacturers have seen how much negative pushback there has been for SPP 45ACP and they've decided that it wasn't worthwhile to convert other LPP calibers to SPP?
Just a thought....
 
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BC38 said:
The only "switch" from LPP to SPP that I have seen is in a couple of brands of 45ACP.
That's not to say that there haven't been any ammo manufacturers who have changed their brass to SPP for other calibers starting with a 4.
They may have, but so far I haven't seen it anywhere.
I can't say why, since 45ACP seems to work just fine with SPPs.
Maybe the ammo manufacturers have seen how much negative pushback there has been for SPP 45ACP and they've decided that it wasn't worthwhile to convert other LPP calibers to SPP?
Just a thought....
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The only other pistol brass using small pistol primers I have come across is Fiocchi .455 Webley.
 
One could consider the ammo makers as being pragmatic by adjusting their manufacture to the primer size they have available to them at the time they load. Guess private reloaders need to consider adopting the same. I used to scrap SP .45ACP brass; no more, as it now goes into it's own sort box.
 
I got some 38WCF brass made in the 1890's and was quite surprised that it had small pistol primers! There has been no shortage of large pistol primers around here just Large Rifle primers have been non stock since I don't know when.

I put the 38 WCF brass back in the box. Like 45 ACP brass I have no shortage of ones with large pistol primers and don't need the confusion of having both on my reload bench.
 
Look at the powder charges used in 45 ACP compared to 44 Magnum. 5 grains of fast powder will ignite fine with a SPP. I'm not sure using a SPP with 20+ grains of slow pistol powder in 44 Mag makes sense.
 
I wish just about everything but the big Magnum rifle brass was Small.

If you have a Dillon 550, you know what a pain it is to change the primer feed. I don't change the primer feed on my Dillon anymore. I leave it large and hand prime 9 MM with my Frankfort Arsenal hand primer.

I'll bet it'd be no problem to ignite 296 in 44Mag with a small magnum primer.
 
austintexas said:
My grandson says he saves 45 ACP with small primer pockets for the times that large pistol primers become scarce and hard to find. He just changes over to small primers until large ones become available again. That way he always has brass to reload.
SWCA 892
PS, he also has 6.5 Creedmore brass with large and small primer pockets.
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Same here. I have a stash of SPP.45 ACP. I wish thosse who pitch theirs would sen them to me.

I haven' seen any other LPP brass switching to SPP yet.
 
Personally I prefer SPPs for my 45acp & 10mm reloads and purchased said brass specifically for that reason: there are many more options for SPPs and their much better availability is also a factor IMHO...

Cheers!
 
I may be remembering incorrectly, but I believe shortly after the 10mm became more popular and more manufacturers started to load it, the 10mm also has been loaded with LPP & SPP.
 
OK I admit not having loaded .45's in many years. I always shot them outdoors and I just got tired of searching for autoloader brass in the grass. The only auto ammo I save is for .30 cal rifles. Much cheaper to load carbine ammo or M1 ammo than buy it nowadays, or even find it. Wonder what the reasoning was for specifying the large primer was to begin with. Like, is there more chance of off center hits in auto pistols where the barrel moves as part of the cycle? Or what?
 
Years ago I had some military headstamp 45 ACP with small primers. I pitched them in the 1980's!

The 308 cases with small RIFLE primers is for 308 Palma (higher pressure than 308 Winchester). I also found a single round of Large Rifle Primered 300 Blackout. It took me 30 seconds to pitch that one!

Ivan
 
Fortunately, I can accommodate any primer size in handgun cartridges. I have two presses set up. One uses SPP and the other LPP. Switching dies is easy.

Rifle cartridge? I can easily load a years supply with my 310 tool so it really does not matter, LRP or SRP.

Kevin
 
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Fortunately, I can accommodate any primer size in handgun cartridges. I have two presses set up. One uses SPP and the other LPP. Switching dies is easy.

Rifle cartridge? I can easily load a years supply with my 310 tool so it really does not matter, LRP or SRP.

Kevin
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Kevin,

You are old school! I have three 310 tools and a bunch of dies for them. Also a Tru-Line Jr for when my hands get tired.

AJ
 
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Kevin,

You are old school! I have three 310 tools and a bunch of dies for them. Also a Tru-Line Jr for when my hands get tired.

AJ
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But…I also appreciate modern improvements. The two presses I mentioned are Dillon 450s. One for SPP and one for LPP.

Kevin
 
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AJ,

I was a competitive shooter in PPC competition. It was easy for me to shoot 1500-2000 rounds a week between matches and practice. The 310 could NOT keep up!

Kevin
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I shot IPSC in the mid to late 80's. Shot 1K a week in practice. I was using a Lyman Spar-t Press and then bought a Square Deal B. As soon as I quit shooting IPSC (moved from Calif to N.C.), I sold the Square Deal B.

AJ
 
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Ivan, I thought the SPP .45's were a more recent invention.
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I first ran across SPP 45 ACP brass in the early 1990's. Then I pitched it in the trash can. No idea what brand it was but it has been around for at least 30 years.
 
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