PPC9 CRACKED CHAMBER

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MY BUDDIE STARTED HAVING MALFUNCTIONS WITH HIS 5" PPC9. HE'S OWNED IT SINCE NEW. AT LEAST 25 YEARS . UNTOLD THOUSANDS OF ROUNDS THRU IT. ESTIMATED 40K ROUNDS. IT WAS HAVING PROBLEMS EXTRACTING BRASS. HE FOUND THE BRASS TO HAVE FULL LENGTH SPLITS ON THEM. AN INSPECTION REVEALED THE BARREL IS CRACKED. I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT. WE'RE TRYING TO FIND A REPLACEMENT BARREL RIGHT NOW. ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED. JP
 

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Short answer - nothing lasts forever. I cracked a 1911 frame in a non critical area putting 35,000 rounds through it one season many, many moons ago. K frame revolver forcing cones are notoriusly fragile with a diet of light bullet/high velocity loads.

Longer take - as most everyone knows the 9mm is a high pressure round; could be a slight weakness in the manufacturing of that particular barrel/billet that eventually said "I quit"; a lot of intangibles as to fit, finish, and stress where the way parts fit together and wear in freakish manner that may only show up in extremely isolated specimens. Luckily it didn't 'let go' and cause further damage or injury and was caught in time.

I've often marveled at the forces and pressures involved that we take for granted just scant inches from our face and hands in handguns and especially in rifles and their cartridges. Having seen graphic results of what can happen when such does fail, I'm reminded that given what we're working with that 'accidents' are usually not one thing but the stacking or confluences of several contributing factors, many of which line up as a result of neglect or carelessness because we've "gotten away with it for years".


Your photos are a caution to us all to not forsake the regular careful examination of these contrivances, especially those we tend to use a lot and can too often take for granted.
 
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JP,
I love the PPC variant of the 5906

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Only your friend knows how much he has shot that pistol and with what kind of ammunition

While it would not surprise me that a PPC shooter would send lots of projectiles down range with his 5906 PPC, I would be surprised to learn that it was HOT ammunition

My first call would have been to the Factory to see what the Performance Center has to say

While I do not expect that they have inventory on that part, that does not necessarily look like normal wear and tear and should be brought to their attention

If the Performance Center is of no help, I would have Briley make a new barrel. Just expect to wait for it.

On another path, since this is a 5" PPC instead of the long slide, Scott might have one in stock. After all it is the same 9MM barrel that is used in the 3566 Limited
 
Hmmm, can't say I've seen anything quite that cracked. 40K rounds is a a lot but nothing that should cause a crack like that. Well, at least he got some good use out of it. Have you done a search to see if cracking is an issue with this particular model? Hot ammo??
 
OF COURSE WE'VE ALREADY CONTACTED S&W WHO REFERRED US TO JACK BEST. STILL WAITING TO HEAR BACK FROM BAR-STO AND BRILEY.

PRIOR TO MY RETIREMENT I WORKED FOR THE 2ND LARGEST LE AGENCY IN THE UNITED STATES . 11 YEARS IN FIREARMS TRAINING . I'VE DEALT WITH THOUSANDS OF S&W 1ST, 2ND, 3RD GENERATION SEMI AUTOS. SA/DA AND DAO. I'VE SEEN FRAME RAILS CRACKED, FRAMES CRACKED FROM SLIDE STOP FRAME CUT OUT THRU THE GRIP FRAME. AMMO WAS NOT AN ISSUE. VERY MODERATE LOADS. THAT'S NOT ANYWHERE NEAR THE HIGHEST RD COUNT I'M AWARE OF. PREPPING FOR THE POLICE PISTOL CHAMPIONSHIP A SOLID DAY OF PRACTICE WAS APP 1K TO 1.2K RDS. TO SHOOT ALL THE MATCHES IT WOULD TAKE 7 PISTOLS AND A SHOTGUN. NO WONDER I HAVE ARTHRITIS IN MY HANDS AND SHOULDERS TODAY.

I WAS ALSO THE CAPTAIN OF THE PISTOL TEAM. I HAD A VERY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THE PERFORMANCE CENTER. BUT , TIME HAS TAKEN IT'S TOLL. ALL MY CONTACTS AT THE PC HAVE RETIRED OR ...........
 
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Several points. 40,000 rounds over 25 years, I would say he pretty well has gotten his moneys worth out of the gun.

I appreciate the gun is a Performance Center item, but it is still basically a model 59, which is nothing more than a double-stack model 39. I would expect a model 39/59 barrel would work in the gun although it may not have the tightness in the Briley bushing or at the slide stop that the original barrel did, but at least he would have a functioning gun again. I hate to recommend Numrich/Gun Parts Company, but they should have model 39/59 barrels, even if he has to settle for a used barrel.

The barrel failure/crack caused the case splits, a case failure in the form of a body split will not cause any damage to the gun. The barrel supports the case, the case provides little if any strength to the case/barrel combination it makes no difference if the case is brass or aluminum! You can forget that as a point of blame. If he fired several rounds after the barrel failure he is extremely lucky that there was not more damage to the gun that just the barrel crack!

Protocol Design pointed out that the crack propagated from a sharp corner. It is also a thin point in the barrel. Fatigue from a relatively high round count in a gun using a high-pressure cartridge is a real possibility. A sharp corner of a machining cut is exactly where where a crack would be expected to occur.

One thing you didn't mention is if your friend is a hand-loader! If he is who knows what has gone through that gun in 25 years!
 
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Short answer - nothing lasts forever. I cracked a 1911 frame in a non critical area putting 35,000 rounds through it one season many, many moons ago. K frame revolver forcing cones are notoriusly fragile with a diet of light bullet/high velocity loads.

Longer take - as most everyone knows the 9mm is a high pressure round; could be a slight weakness in the manufacturing of that particular barrel/billet that eventually said "I quit"; a lot of intangibles as to fit, finish, and stress where the way parts fit together and wear in freakish manner that may only show up in extremely isolated specimens. Luckily it didn't 'let go' and cause further damage or injury and was caught in time.

I've often marveled at the forces and pressures involved that we take for granted just scant inches from our face and hands in handguns and especially in rifles and their cartridges. Having seen graphic results of what can happen when such does fail, I'm reminded that given what we're working with that 'accidents' are usually not one thing but the stacking or confluences of several contributing factors, many of which line up as a result of neglect or carelessness because we've "gotten away with it for years".


Your photos are a caution to us all to not forsake the regular careful examination of these contrivances, especially those we tend to use a lot and can too often take for granted.

AND WEAR EYE PROTECTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Might try Calreb

Jim,

I believe you know Bob, have you touched bases with him?
He might have an idea of where to look other than the usual places you have reached out to.
 
YEP TALKED TO BOB. HE'S CHECKING. TRYING TO GET A HOLD OF JIM RAE. I LOST HIS NUMBER A COUPLE OF PHONES AGO.

"I hate to recommend Numrich/Gun Parts Company, but they should have model 39/59 barrels, even if he has to settle for a used barrel."
THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING TO FIT A 4 INCH BARREL (59 +39) INTO A 5 INCH SLIDE.

"The barrel failure/crack caused the case splits, a case failure in the form of a body split will not cause any damage to the gun. "
REALLY??
 
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Briley would be my choice, Claudio should be able to help you out. I had Briley make a 357sig barrel for my 4006 PC. Did you contract Claudio or just direct to Briley?

Or you can try contacting s537, Scott Sullivan. He deals directly with Briley, Claudio, and he should be able to help you out if you don’t hear anything from Briley. I know he’s the 356 barrel guy but a 9mm barrel ain’t to far off. I had contacted Scott about the 357sig and he helped get things started. After receiving the 357sig, it dropped in but still didn’t fit correctly and I send the pistol and barrel to Briley for proper fitting.

Joe
 
TRYING TO GET A HOLD OF SCOTT. NOT SURE IF THE NUMBER I HAVE IS CORRECT.


AS FOR THE OTHER TOUCHY PERSON WHO WAS INSULTED BY MY "REALLY???" RESPONSE. OF COURSE I KNEW THE CRACK CAUSED THE SPLITS IN THE CASE. I WAS JUST EXPLAINING THE CHRONOLOGICAL STRING OF EVENTS . FEEL FREE NOT TO READ ANYTHING I POST. I'M CLEARLY NOT WORTHY. OVER AND OUT !
 
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Just thinking, 40,000 over 25 years is only 1,600 rounds a year. I have several guns, inc. a Gold Cup, and a Springfield Armory (.45's) that have gone that much over a shorter period. Gun isn't worn out, just a part failed. I'm sure one of the mentioned replacement barrels work just fine.
 
My guess is Scott Sullivan and/or Claudio. If there is another source, I would be very (very!) pleasantly surprised.
 
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