PPK in 9MM Luger?????

[chief38]

I just watched a video on Youtube from Legacy Collectibles (see link below). At minute 22:35 Tom pulls out a PPK in 9mm. IT IS NOT STAMPED KURZ! I was unaware the PPK was ever made in 9mm Luger!


[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy401COEBvY[/ame]

 

[chief38]

BTW after some research online I found nothing about 9mm Luger PPK's.

 

[Ivan the Butcher]

I do know there was a PP model in 9x18 which is called Ultra (I have one box of ammo left). 9 Lugar is 9x19, Walther never made one, but somebody may have converted an Ultra. Ultra recoil is kind of something called Fierce! 9 Lugar in that recoil system would be called Brutal!

Ivan

 

[Echo40]

It's just rollmarks that are incomplete, (like many WWII-Era Walthers are since they were rushed out for the war) there are no PPKs chambered in 9mm Luger, save for one Prototype PP that never entered mass production because in order to make a reliable 9mm Luger Pistol with a Straight Blowback action such as that of the PP Series, you either have to go the Hi-Point route with a massive slide/recoil spring to hold the action closed until pressures drop to safe levels, or you have to go the H&K VP-70 route with deep cut rifling to allow a bit of gas blowby, which is pointless since it effectively reduces the performance of 9mm Luger down to .380 ACP levels.

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58ij_tjb0YY[/ame]

Besides, all of Walther's 9mm Pistols are marked "9mm Parabellum" or "9mm Luger" not just "9mm" and nothing else. So yeah, rest assured, it's just incomplete rollmarks.

The closest thing to a 9mm PPK that was ever released was the PP Super chambered in 9x18 Ultra, which was a flop since the cartridge never really caught on.

 

[chief38]

That's very unlike the German's leaving out the word Kurz on the barrel markings! Especially since the 9mm Luger was widely in use at the time.

 

[Absalom]

Sorry, move along, nothing to get excited about …

There is nothing unusual here. The pre-1945 PPK in 9mm kurz did NOT have the “kurz” on the slide. This is not incomplete or a unicorn.

Just like Colt on pre-war revolvers only put .38, no matter which of the three .38 calibers it was. They must have figured it would be obvious to the educated customer

PS: The PP was also stamped without the “kurz”:

 

[chief38]

Sorry, move along, nothing to get excited about …

There is nothing unusual here. The pre-1945 PPK in 9mm kurz did NOT have the “kurz” on the slide. This is not incomplete or a unicorn.

Just like Colt on pre-war revolvers only put .38, no matter which of the three .38 calibers it was. They must have figured it would be obvious to the educated customer

PS: The PP was also stamped without the “kurz”:

Thank you for your explanation and education. I am almost wondering if Tom (the owner of Legacy Collectibles) knows that! The way he made it sound in his video I believe he thinks it is really 9mm Luger! At least that's the way it sounded to me.

I was always under the impression Walther never made a 9mm Luger PPK but his video really sparked my curiosity. I wonder if Walther actually ever did try the 9mm Luger in a PPK.

Thank you Sir!

 

[Absalom]

That's very unlike the German's leaving out the word Kurz on the barrel markings! Especially since the 9mm Luger was widely in use at the time.

As for German thoroughness in marking, keep in mind the regular-production wartime P.38 had no caliber stamp at all.

Neither did the Luger, where the pencil-down-the-barrel test is still widely used if it is questionable whether it is a 9mm or maybe a 7.65mm Parabellum version

 

[CZU]

I see that the PP Super was mentioned along with 9mm Ultra. I think there were about 10K made in the Ultra version with the intention of it being a Police weapon. The one below is in 9mm kz, one of about 1K in this caliber.

 

[Gene L]

The PP guns are blowback operated. That's why they're in low-pressure calibers. It's impossible for a blowback operated PP in 9mm Luger, the slide would have to be impossibly massive and heavy. Hi Point pistols are 9mm blowback guns with huge slides.

 

[Heinz]

"Thank you for your explanation and education. I am almost wondering if Tom (the owner of Legacy Collectibles) knows that! The way he made it sound in his video I believe he thinks it is really 9mm Luger! At least that's the way it sounded to me. "


Never doubt that the owner of Legacy Collectibles is an expert on all things Walther. 7.65 mm and 9 mm are the common references to 32 autos and 380 autos in the European pistol vocabulary.

 

[diyj98]

No ppk is 9x19mm for sure.

 

[bc1023]

It’s a small straight blowback pistol.

How would it be chambered in 9mm Luger?

 

[bc1023]

"Thank you for your explanation and education. I am almost wondering if Tom (the owner of Legacy Collectibles) knows that! The way he made it sound in his video I believe he thinks it is really 9mm Luger! At least that's the way it sounded to me. "


Never doubt that the owner of Legacy Collectibles is an expert on all things Walther. 7.65 mm and 9 mm are the common references to 32 autos and 380 autos in the European pistol vocabulary.

Trust me, if he understands anything at all about firearm design, he knows it’s not 9mm Luger.

 

[lowriderfxr]

There was a prototype Walther MP/PP made in 9mm Luger. I believe only 4 exist. It looks like a PP but its noticeably larger. I believe they were captured from the Walther family collection when Germany surrendered. I believe the value is approaching 6 figures. I saw one at Tulsa and it was very expensive , but by far the most interesting gun I saw there.

 

[Gene L]

When the war ended, the Walther plant was in the hands of GI's. There were unfinished pistols on the line, not proofed and some not roll marked with the Walther logo. A number of these were brought back by GIs.