Priorities

[t3chnoid]

Erich has a great tag line: "Shot-placement is king. Adequate penetration is queen. Everything else is angels dancing on the heads of pins." That's great because so much discussion is wasted on tiny, insigificant details when discussing carry issues.

But I realized something is missing even in that great tag line. In an armed confrontation (some like to say gunfight), there are two halves of the equation: putting shots on the bad guy and not letting shots land on yourself.

It seems to me that wherever I turn, there is a whole lot of talk, writing, and a lot of practice time spent on the first half of that equation, but I personally consider the second half of much greater importance.

So is Cover king? Or is Shot-placement King while avoiding impact is Emperor? Do you think there's a catchy phrase to incorporate movement, cover, etc?

 

[t3chnoid]

Erich has a great tag line: "Shot-placement is king. Adequate penetration is queen. Everything else is angels dancing on the heads of pins." That's great because so much discussion is wasted on tiny, insigificant details when discussing carry issues.

But I realized something is missing even in that great tag line. In an armed confrontation (some like to say gunfight), there are two halves of the equation: putting shots on the bad guy and not letting shots land on yourself.

It seems to me that wherever I turn, there is a whole lot of talk, writing, and a lot of practice time spent on the first half of that equation, but I personally consider the second half of much greater importance.

So is Cover king? Or is Shot-placement King while avoiding impact is Emperor? Do you think there's a catchy phrase to incorporate movement, cover, etc?

 

[ENH]

Well now that's thought provoking. Erich?

BTW for years I have carried (to and from work) an Executive Defense briefcase with a class 3 shield and a spring loaded side compartment containing a Sig 229. www.executivedefense.com
It's my James Bond briefcase.

 

[Erich]

"Get off the X!," no doubt! I'm in no way advocating remaining in one position.

My sig line (modified now somewhat after a thread in the Lounge

) refers only to all the horsehockey that has been flying around vis-á-vis caliber wars, my-hollowpoint-is-better-than-your-hollowpoint, etc. The signature line in no way relates to the importance of how to survive a gunfight, it deals only with what's important in terms of wounding mechanisms.

"Get off the X!," as Gabe Suarez would say. By all means.

 

[Wyatt Earp]

Originally posted by t3chnoid:
I realized something is missing even in that great tag line. In an armed confrontation (some like to say gunfight), there are two halves of the equation: putting shots on the bad guy and not letting shots land on yourself.

It seems to me that wherever I turn, there is a whole lot of talk, writing, and a lot of practice time spent on the first half of that equation, but I personally consider the second half of much greater importance.

Then you will feel right at home here: www.warriortalk.com

 

[greengael]

As a newbie I hate to step into the middle of such a lively discussion, however as a philosopher and a barrister I feel compelled.[smile] The notion that "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin" refers to the minute, inconsequential, or trivial , is imho, erroneous.The question was used initially to characterise the "Scholastic Debate", i.e. is it a materially based Universe or a spiritually based one. If materially based then all beings occupy space, consequently a finite number of beings could theoretically "dance on the head of a pin". If on the other hand we exist in a spiritually based universe then the number becomes both infinite and superfluous.I apologise for pissing anyone off and will try to restrain myself in the future.[smile] The ramifications of that debate we do see in our politics and religion to this day.

 

[Centenniel]

Originally posted by Erich:
"Get off the X!," no doubt! I'm in no way advocating remaining in one position.

My sig line (modified now somewhat after a thread in the Lounge

) refers only to all the horsehockey that has been flying around vis-á-vis caliber wars, my-hollowpoint-is-better-than-your-hollowpoint, etc. The signature line in no way relates to the importance of how to survive a gunfight, it deals only with what's important in terms of wounding mechanisms.

"Get off the X!," as Gabe Suarez would say. By all means.

Absolutely! Get off the X! Gabe understands priorities.

 

[Erich]

As a newbie I hate to step into the middle of such a lively discussion, however as a philosopher and a barrister I feel compelled.[smile] The notion that "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin" refers to the minute, inconsequential, or trivial , is imho, erroneous.The question was used initially to characterise the "Scholastic Debate", i.e. is it a materially based Universe or a spiritually based one. If materially based then all beings occupy space, consequently a finite number of beings could theoretically "dance on the head of a pin". If on the other hand we exist in a spiritually based universe then the number becomes both infinite and superfluous.I apologise for pissing anyone off and will try to restrain myself in the future.[smile] The ramifications of that debate we do see in our politics and religion to this day.

As a lawyer (that's a barrister who's misplaced his wig in a fight

), I'd point out that what I mean is not that it's trivial or minute, but rather that it's not of any practical significance and would therefore be argued only by philosophers and not men seeking practical solutions. I'm surprised you didn't understand that - no one else has misunderstood it (to my knowledge) in the couple of years it's been my signature.

Over the years I've posted here, I've learned that it's generally a good idea to refrain from posting anything for which I feel I need to apologize (as we Colonials spell it).

Someone more thin-skinned than a lawyer might find your patronizing assumption that none of your American cousins comprehend relatively common cultural references to mark you as a bit of a berk.

 

[Out West]

greengael, say what?

Out West

 

[t3chnoid]

Erich,

I really like your tag-line and agree with it whole-heartedly. Way too much wasted time and energy surrounds all these minor details. No one should stress whether he will die if he carries a 9mm rather than a .40 cal.

In fact, I like (and agree with) your tag-line so much it really got me thinking. That's why I'm trying to dream one up that is just as to-the-point but places movement (off the X) as the first priority. That's something I would chisel in stone, or chant 3 hours every day, or maybe print on a T-shirt.

Move, Shoot, Live

Or some such thing.

 

[rdrancher]

My sig line (modified now somewhat after a thread in the Lounge Wink) refers only to all the horsehockey that has been flying around vis-á-vis caliber wars, my-hollowpoint-is-better-than-your-hollowpoint, etc.

Why that's just crazy. Everybody knows that wadcutters are superior.

rd

 

[Spotteddog]

Your an evil man R/D!

 

[617fan]

+1

Cover is King.

 

[greengael]

In the words of Roseanne Rosanna Danna "NEver Mind" [smile]

Originally posted by Out West:
greengael, say what?

Out West

 

[RGS]

Looking at your observation from the material point of view, we should be able to mix angles, heads of pins and bullets with a satisfactory result so long as angles and bullets do not occupy the same point at the same time.

Or...

Get off the "X"

 

[TNDixieGirl]

Originally posted by Erich:

Over the years I've posted here, I've learned that it's generally a good idea to refrain from posting anything for which I feel I need to apologize (as we Colonials spell it).

Someone more thin-skinned than a lawyer might find your patronizing assumption that none of your American cousins comprehend relatively common cultural references to mark you as a bit of a berk.

You said that way nicer than I would have. Thank you.

 

[greengael]

Please allow me to apologise again, no offense meant, merely a small playful "tug".It won't happen again.

 

[Erich]

¡No hay problema, amigo!

Hope you get that 5906 back from S&W working to your satisfaction soon.

 

[greengael]

Thank you ,counsellor,very gracious. The 5906 is working just fine, the 9mm Recon is the one in triage.Apparently with the plant closing for some weeks in December there is a signifigant backlog.Merci bien une autre fois mon ami.[smile]

Originally posted by Erich:
¡No hay problema, amigo!

Hope you get that 5906 back from S&W working to your satisfaction soon.

 

[ImprovedModel56Fan]

Originally posted by greengael:
As a newbie I hate to step into the middle of such a lively discussion, however as a philosopher and a barrister I feel compelled.[smile] The notion that "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin" refers to the minute, inconsequential, or trivial , is imho, erroneous.The question was used initially to characterise the "Scholastic Debate", i.e. is it a materially based Universe or a spiritually based one. If materially based then all beings occupy space, consequently a finite number of beings could theoretically "dance on the head of a pin". If on the other hand we exist in a spiritually based universe then the number becomes both infinite and superfluous.I apologise for pissing anyone off and will try to restrain myself in the future.[smile] The ramifications of that debate we do see in our politics and religion to this day.

I am not offended by your interjection. Although it is trivial (or, as Americans have said for probably at least a century, like discussing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin), it is potentially informative. I say "potentially," of course, because I will eventually have a desire to confirm your report. If you care to speed up the process by providing a reference or two, it would be well received (well, by at least one). However, the ramifications alluded to in the last sentence escape me, unless it is meant in the most general way.

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