hi reloaders, just started reloading 9s for my sd9ve using A#2 with 115 berrys plated rn. I loaded 3 each with 3.9grs and 4.1gr they won't eject or feed but accuracy was good oal is 28.85 was thinking not enuf powder but fired cases r really dirty compared to factory ammo cases I have fired. do u guys have any feed back oh yes and there is very little taper crimp on them also head case is ok check with barrel. I have found data from 3.6 to 4.8 in several places wanted to run by u guys before I loaded bigger loads.only reason I haven't was because of how dirty the cases were. would love some feed back thx bam'sPaw
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Twoboxer
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just checked accurate/western powder site - they have an updated data section & what you are looking for is there - your loads are too low as indicated by not cycling slide & very dirty cases - also is your oal in mm?
if so that should be ok for oal
if so that should be ok for oal
venomballistics
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Next increment up the load data range sir.
powders loaded light tend to be dirty. They clean up as you get into its butter zone.
The feeding issue, that might be crimp.
I advocate seating and crimping in separate steps.
They kinda fight each other which shows up in some chambers
RV4driver
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A proper load will expand the case mouth more and seal up against the chamber to keep some of the soot and **** off the outside of the case.
9mm generally only needs a slight taper crimp for best effect.
It's better to see these results and need to up the powder, than the opposite.
9mm generally only needs a slight taper crimp for best effect.
It's better to see these results and need to up the powder, than the opposite.
It makes sense....
It makes sense that a low velocity load would be accurate, that the charge wouldn't operate the action and that it would burn dirty. Move up to the published minimum load.
I'm trying to see how low I can go with Bullseye to make loads that won't scare my wife. I've also got some Titegroup that a lot of people don't like, but it's supposed to burn clean.
It makes sense that a low velocity load would be accurate, that the charge wouldn't operate the action and that it would burn dirty. Move up to the published minimum load.
I'm trying to see how low I can go with Bullseye to make loads that won't scare my wife. I've also got some Titegroup that a lot of people don't like, but it's supposed to burn clean.
With the 115gr plated bullet........
1.142" is the maximum Nato oal and is used with the maximum slow burning powders like Unique, sr4756 and Blue Dot.
You can shorten it up to 1.12" for standard oal loads for all the powders, which works in most of the 9mm pistols but then you can also go down to the minimum of 1.08" if it will work in your pistol with the Sierra and xtp bullets.
I never understood why the speer, Remington and sierra and xtp had such a difference in oal but I will leave it at that............. One would think a 115gr is a 115gr.........
Have no fear with the minimum loads...............
Most staring loads can be dropped .5 grs and still eject the case.
Lots of data to play with and you are safe with all of it...........
My 3" 9mm will eject 115grplated at 926 fps and 124 plated at 899 fps.
So you have lots of fps to choose from........
1.142" is the maximum Nato oal and is used with the maximum slow burning powders like Unique, sr4756 and Blue Dot.
You can shorten it up to 1.12" for standard oal loads for all the powders, which works in most of the 9mm pistols but then you can also go down to the minimum of 1.08" if it will work in your pistol with the Sierra and xtp bullets.
I never understood why the speer, Remington and sierra and xtp had such a difference in oal but I will leave it at that............. One would think a 115gr is a 115gr.........
Have no fear with the minimum loads...............
Most staring loads can be dropped .5 grs and still eject the case.
Lots of data to play with and you are safe with all of it...........
My 3" 9mm will eject 115grplated at 926 fps and 124 plated at 899 fps.
So you have lots of fps to choose from........
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fredj338
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Plated run between jacketed & lead. Go to the accurate website, look up 115gr data, it's there. Rainer are plated. I never use starting data myself, often gives poor results, instead I choose midrange data, load to the longest oal that fits your gun. Then you can work it up or down as needed.
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great help
thanks all u guys I knew when I posted would get what I needed. Only reloading about a year have a lee hand press it does what I wanted in no hurry to load a lot of ammo. load some 38 and 357 decided to try some 9mm I knew from reading would be alittle more difficult then 38s.i enjoy loading and" shooting" them learning about what to do and not. now don't have to worry about getting ammo if u can find it like that a lot. Would have liked to got a different powder for 9mm,but could only find AA#2 working great for my 38 loads hope I can get it to work with my sd9. Going load some and move up a little at a time and see. Again thx everyone for lending your knowledge. Great forum ,bam'sPaw
thanks all u guys I knew when I posted would get what I needed. Only reloading about a year have a lee hand press it does what I wanted in no hurry to load a lot of ammo. load some 38 and 357 decided to try some 9mm I knew from reading would be alittle more difficult then 38s.i enjoy loading and" shooting" them learning about what to do and not. now don't have to worry about getting ammo if u can find it like that a lot. Would have liked to got a different powder for 9mm,but could only find AA#2 working great for my 38 loads hope I can get it to work with my sd9. Going load some and move up a little at a time and see. Again thx everyone for lending your knowledge. Great forum ,bam'sPaw
As Steve posted, go here: The new update data. click on the pdf
Newest Reloading Data « Western Powders
Ypur powder charge is to low which will cause all the problems you are experiencing.
If there is not enough it will not cycle the firearm and incomplet combustion will give "dirty" soot.
They list you exacr bullet and COL.
Newest Reloading Data « Western Powders
Ypur powder charge is to low which will cause all the problems you are experiencing.
If there is not enough it will not cycle the firearm and incomplet combustion will give "dirty" soot.
They list you exacr bullet and COL.
ArchAngelCD
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Almost always when the slide won't cycle and the case is very sooty your powder charge is too low. According to Western Powders with a 115gr Berry's bullet you can go up considerably more on the charge weight. Their COAL is 1.130" which is just about the same as yours if your measurement is in mm.
Bump up the charge a bit and I'm sure the slide will cycle and the cases will clean right up.
Bump up the charge a bit and I'm sure the slide will cycle and the cases will clean right up.
I finally got a dirty case and a fail to eject out of one of my five test loads in my 3" barrel.
Had to get all the way down to 784 fps with a 115gr plated RN bullet.
A lot depends on the type of powder you use.
Good luck developing your loads.
Had to get all the way down to 784 fps with a 115gr plated RN bullet.
A lot depends on the type of powder you use.
Good luck developing your loads.
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m657
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I've recently loaded W231 and 700X at minimum and half way up the chart behind 124g Berry's plated .356" 9mm loads.
While 'accurate' they all fail to properly cycle either Glock 34 or Browning P35, both of which will digest nearly anything.
These published loads as simply too feeble to cycle slide properly.
Looks like I'm going to find a load that will provide something around or over 1100 fps.
I am within .2g of max load on W231. Never used it for 9mm before.
Surprised at the fail issue on these moderate loads.
While 'accurate' they all fail to properly cycle either Glock 34 or Browning P35, both of which will digest nearly anything.
These published loads as simply too feeble to cycle slide properly.
Looks like I'm going to find a load that will provide something around or over 1100 fps.
I am within .2g of max load on W231. Never used it for 9mm before.
Surprised at the fail issue on these moderate loads.
texan4ut
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I use Win 231 or HP 38 same bullet you are using same gun. My start load is 4.3 grns. I typically try to stay at 4.5 grns. I use a Lee Classic Turret press Bullet crimp is the last process.
A 93.7% load of w231 with a 124 plated RN at 1.14" crossed my chrony at 1097 fps, with a 4" Springfield. There was plenty of power to work the slide in this pistol.
Augila has their FMJ at a oal of 1.12" with 4.5grs of a fine powder that looks like w231......and it hit 1115 fps.
Good luck.
Augila has their FMJ at a oal of 1.12" with 4.5grs of a fine powder that looks like w231......and it hit 1115 fps.
Good luck.
NJM15
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Loading data is confusing, I recently posted similar problems I had loading 9mm 115 cprn lead with IMR 4756 powder after some "experimenting" I found the right weight to use. Imr starting load is for 115 cprn is 4.5 tried max 5.2 had to go to 6.5 to get my Sig mk25 to function. I shoot a 357 Sig the only load they show is a max load of 9.1 for cpfln 125 gr
40 cal 180 gr cpfn call for 6.7 what a difference, I no it is a heavier round
I loaded the 357 sigs at 6.7, have to try them at the range
I set all oal's using a new round and check every 5 or so rounds to see if they are in spec
I like FEEBLE loads because they work so well with my feeble wrists when shooting a feeble 9 MM in a 1911 style pistol.
da gimp
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I've been loading 9mms since 1979 , dern near all over medium to medium warm loads of Unique over a CCI small pistol primer............ for a series of good pistols........ for some reason, every 9mmP we ever had liked the bullets to be seated out to almost maximum length for the magazine of the pistol we were loading for........... whether this was truncated cone RCBS 115gr or dern good Hornady or Speer JHP's in duty loads............rounds seated to minimal OAL tended to jam , the same bullets seated out further fed without a hitch.
hope this helps........
hope this helps........
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