Production Class

[Jboutfishn]

In looking at the USPSA rules the S&W MP9 Pro is legal but I don't see anything about the PRO CORE. I am looking at the PRO CORE only because of the future option to put a red dot sight. Am I looking in the correct place and reading things as they are?

 

[Bkreutz]

In looking at the USPSA rules the S&W MP9 Pro is legal but I don't see anything about the PRO CORE. I am looking at the PRO CORE only because of the future option to put a red dot sight. Am I looking in the correct place and reading things as they are?

Pro Core is legal in production (as long as you don't put a reflex on it) The only difference between the Pro and the Pro Core is the milled out section and the sights. The reason it isn't reflected in the rules is that the Core is a relatively new pistol and the paperwork hasn't caught up to it. I finally caved in to my aging eyesight and now I shoot it in Open class (not really competitive with the race guns but I'm to old to worry about such stuff anymore, it's still fun.

 

[Jboutfishn]

Thanks for the input. I want to try the open sights but at my age, (old guy) lining up three points is a real issue anymore.

 

[mbliss57]

Jerry Miculek uses a C.O.R.E. I plan on buy one as well for USPSA. My eyes pat 30' are useless.

 

[OKFC05]

Here is the USPSA Approved List for Production DIVISION:
(Class is how well you shoot, Division is what gun you shoot)
USPSA/NROI Production Gun List - USPSA - United States Practical Shooting Association

USPSA Production Division Approved Handguns

S&W​

1006 (38 oz.), 1066 (38.5 oz.), 39 (26.5 oz.), 3913 (25 oz.), 3913L (25 oz.), 3913TSW (24.8 oz.), 3914 (25 oz.), 3953 (24.8 oz.), 3953STSW (24.8 oz.), 4006 (38.5 oz.), 4013TSW (37.8 oz.), 4043 (30 oz.), 4046 (37.8 oz.), 4053TSW (26.7 oz.), 410 (28.5 oz.), 439 (30 oz.), 4506 (40.5 oz.), 4513TSW (28.6 oz.), 4553TSW (28.6 oz.), 4566 (39.1 oz.), 457 (29 oz.), 4586 (39.1 oz.), 59 (27 oz.), 5904 (26.5 oz.), 5906 DA/SA (37.5 oz.), 5906 DA/SA 5 inch (40.9 oz.), 5946 (39.5 oz.), 659 (39.5 oz.), 669 (26 oz.), 6906 (26.5 oz.), 6946 (26.5 oz.), 908 (24 oz.), 910 (28 oz.), M&P 357 Sig Compact 3" (24.7 oz.), M&P 357Sig 4" (28.7 oz.), M&P 40 4" (27.5 oz.), M&P 40 Compact 3" (24.4 oz.), M&P 45 4" (27.9 oz.), M&P 45 Compact 3" (27.3 oz.), M&P 45 Full Size (28.9 oz.), M&P 9 Compact 3" (24.2 oz.), M&P 9L 5" 9mm (28.2 oz.), M&P 9mm 4" (27.2 oz.), M&P Pro series 5 9mm (29.2 oz.), M&P Pro series 5 .40 S&W (29.2 oz.), Sigma models Compact SW9V (26 oz.), SW40C (26 oz.), SW40F (26 oz.), SW40V (24.4 oz.), SW40VE (24.4 oz.), SW99 9, 40 & 45 (26 oz.), SW9C (25 oz.), SW9F (26 oz.), SW9M (18 oz.), SW9VE (24.7 oz.)
(Any DAO or DA/SA revolver with a barrel length of up to 8.5" is approved)

 

[AwfAxis]

Actually, the CORE is not approved for production. I had the chance to correspond with John Amidon on this topic, and was told that they are working with S&W trying to get them to submit the proper information in order to get it on the list. (In case you don't know, John handles all decisions for USPSA regarding rules).

The fact is however, that most "local" clubs will not care if you run this, but if you tried to compete at Level 2 or higher, then you might get bumped to open if an RO catches it.

I ended up finding a 9L slide to put atop my CORE frame, and was found to be within PRODUCTION guidelines, in spite of the frame being a CORE in origin. I got a ruling from John to do this because many people interpreted the rules such that I was making an illegal substitution.

(Edit: I used the term CORE frame, but most M&P owners know there is no such thing. All 9/357/40 frames are identical, except for differences in early/late generation, and PRO internals. The upper assembly is what makes the specific model, and that what was considered in the ruling.)

 

[G-ManBart]

I ended up finding a 9L slide to put atop my CORE frame, and was found to be within PRODUCTION guidelines, in spite of the frame being a CORE in origin. I got a ruling from John to do this because many people interpreted the rules such that I was making an illegal substitution.

(Edit: I used the term CORE frame, but most M&P owners know there is no such thing. All 9/357/40 frames are identical, except for differences in early/late generation, and PRO internals. The upper assembly is what makes the specific model, and that what was considered in the ruling.)

That's interesting. For years USPSA has ruled otherwise about making similar substitutions on Glocks (i.e. putting a 17 slide on a 22 frame). Yes, I know the frames are identical, but every time that question came up, it got shot down. Funny that they wouldn't stick with that precedent for the M&Ps.

 

[AwfAxis]

That's interesting. For years USPSA has ruled otherwise about making similar substitutions on Glocks (i.e. putting a 17 slide on a 22 frame). Yes, I know the frames are identical, but every time that question came up, it got shot down. Funny that they wouldn't stick with that precedent for the M&Ps.

I got a considerable amount of grief on a USPSA forum for this topic, but the argument on this is that in terms of M&P's, the ONLY thing model specific is the slide assembly, not the frame. As long as the slide [model] is on the production list, then its good. Frame changes are allowed, so ultimately it is perceived that I have a 9L, not a CORE pistol.