Protests

Back in my day the Vietnam war protests were largely lead by a single professor whose other goals were to legalize pot and LSD. He lead "College F". The one course that stood out was called "Revolutionary Dance", and it had no classroom instruction. To pass you had to stand in front of a US Military recruitment office with an "End the War Sign". I couldn't care less personally because it was very mild and there were no riots. What DID bother me was that they got 3 credit hours while I had to study and pass exams.

Right now it is being reported that many of the current participants are NOT from the Universities. My opinion is that these people are most likely foreign terrorists trying to destroy us from within.
 
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I find it interesting that some of the people who believe in restarting the draft are the same people who were anti mandate.

The draft is the ultimate mandate. Put your life on hold, put on this uniform, obey these orders, up to and including giving your life following them.

I am not against requiring service to the country, in fact I support it, but believe it should include EVERYONE. Last time college students, women, the rich claiming such things as "bone spurs" while golfing, bowling and playing tennis were differed . All of THAT WRONG. Why should someone going to college get a pass and some roughneck drilling for oil or working in a steel mill not? What is equal about drafting men and not women? Why were the rich more able to avoid service than the poor?

Either everyone or no one.
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Much merit in what you say. If everybody's kid were subject to the draft, I think we'd be much more reluctant to get into wars...

Initially the volunteer army sounds good. But then it turns out that only something like 2% (less?) of the families in the country have someone serving while the rest of the country just forgets about it.

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I graduated high school in 1970, receiving a IIS (AKA student) deferment as I was going to college. By the next year, however, the lottery draft system had begun because the country had come to the realization that exempting college kids wasn't fair. As I recall, my birthdate came in 143, but my local draft board through some sort of mixup thought it was 243...
 
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I graduated high school in 1970, receiving a IIS (AKA student) deferment as I was going to college. By the next year, however, the lottery draft system had begun because the country had come to the realization that exempting college kids wasn't fair. As I recall, my birthdate came in 143, but my local draft board through some sort of mixup thought it was 243...
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I was in ROTC and prepared to go if I had to. The lottery came up just before I had to officially sign on the dotted line and was then owned by the government. I had a high number so I dropped ROTC and my student deferment an went 1A. I made it through.

My best friend was #2 and immediately joined the National Guard. Unfortunately, he was called to basic training before graduation and thus had to repeat his senior year. As luck would have it, his unit was never called up.
 
Onomea said:
Much merit in what you say. If everybody's kid were subject to the draft, I think we'd be much more reluctant to get into wars...

Initially the volunteer army sounds good. But then it turns out that only something like 2% (less?) of the families in the country have someone serving while the rest of the country just forgets about it.

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I graduated high school in 1970, receiving a IIS (AKA student) deferment as I was going to college. By the next year, however, the lottery draft system had begun because the country had come to the realization that exempting college kids wasn't fair. As I recall, my birthdate came in 143, but my local draft board through some sort of mixup thought it was 243...
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I got my draft notice in 1971. Unfortunately for the army, I was attending USAF tech school at the time. Sucked for them.
 
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Glad that there's lotsa video to catch the arrogant idiots.
A Keelhaul would be a great way to start their re-education.
 
From Gaza, across a border wall far stronger than anything we have ever proposed for the US.

The attack on October 7 is unprecedented from Hamas both in scale and sophistication, displaying characteristics of a special forces operation that employed small units with bespoke training, equipment, and tactics to achieve outsized strategic results. On that day, over 1,000 Hamas fighters entered southern Israel through nearly 30 breach points in the country's border wall with Gaza. The 40-mile-long barrier, which cost over $1 billion and was upgraded in 2021, was designed to prevent infiltration with a variety of surveillance and defense technologies. These include cameras, radars, and other sensors, as well as barbed wire and an underground concrete barrier to prevent tunneling. In addition to the 20-foot-tall fence, observation towers with remote machine gun turrets were positioned, in some areas, every 500 feet along the border.

To overcome these defenses, Hamas employed a combination of innovative tactics. Using commercial quadcopter drones, Hamas dropped explosives onto the observation towers, disrupting Israel's sensors, communications, and weapons systems—a creative use of drones, which are also being used in new ways by Russian and Ukrainian forces. Hamas fighters also blew holes in the border fence with explosives and then used bulldozers to widen the gaps to allow vehicles to pass through. Hamas's October 7 Attack: Visualizing the Data
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Footage from Drone Attacks on Israeli Border Fence on October 7, 2023
 
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I admit some degree of bias; I have been referred to as "Jewish by association" by Jews of my acquaintance. I get up in a town that had a lot of concentration camp survivors; some were relatives of friends. My first wife was Jewish. One my closest friends since HS is; although not real observant, at 60+ she has never had real bacon. Yiddish slang was semi-common.

If one looks at the history of the region, the claims of the Palestinians are weak. Regardless, Hamas pulled the 10/7 attack, and now has their combat personnel and infrastructure so heavily intermingled with the civilian population (a war crime) that collateral damage to the innocent residents is really hard to avoid. As for the claims of "genocide" the apologists have it backwards. There are plenty in the ME who advocate for killing all the Jews, a position not reciprocated. If the IDF wanted to, all of Gaza would have been a parking lot by the end of October.

A lot of the protestors would not last a day in Gaza because of their personal attributes, but they don't consider that. I dare not comment further and hope this does not get me a ding. At least I refrained from some of my true commentary, as the entire set of mods would have cardiac problems.
 
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SFAIK, "Palestine" hasn't officially been on a map since about 1947. However, let's move on.

I'm not gonna comment further upon the ME, other than to say that those labeled "Palestinians" have been cynically used as pawns by their various sponsors since 1947. IIRC, Jordan offered paths to citizenship. However, once they realized the "guests" were plotting a revolution, they kicked them out. (Spawned the Black September terrorist movement in retaliation.)

If someone can actually link payments to the various "protestors", one would think that a functioning DOJ could find something in the Federal Statutes that would apply. IIRC, traveling across state lines with intent to riot/destroy property is a federal crime.

Since Kent State has been mentioned.....while the deaths may be tragic, the fact was that the NG was on campus was due to wanton destruction of property including burning a building (ROTC?) and attacks on persons. Can we say RIOTING? That seems to be lost to history.

I lived and/or worked through the Vietnam protests, the MLK assassination riots and others*. Peaceful demonstration OK, even if misguided, but once it gets to taking over buildings, refuse to disperse, etc. that deserves jail time. Or, maybe some chain gang work parties. I recall an incident at one college I attended where the ruckus ended when the Dean told the participants that the school started with 13 students and they were prepared to go back to that number.

It wouldn't fly politically, but I think there's some merit in the concept of Universal Service. You get to meet people you otherwise never would and learn to work with them. Maybe broaden one's mental horizons?

*Just remembered an incident in NYC that made network news. A group of demonstrators clashed with some construction workers. I don't recall the exact circumstances, but a bloody demonstrator was being interviewed and he seemed to have trouble connecting his conduct with the result. "They were just WORDS, man!" I believe the current term is a "teachable moment".
 
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My dear departed father taught me at an early age that most all bullies are cowards. And bullying is the tactic these "protesters" are using. I say, if they're so 'proud' of their beliefs and positions why would they want to hide their faces ? Cowards . . . hiding behind masks and deceitful explanations.

Old man also said, "you may get your *** whipped a time or two but once a bully learns you can hurt him and will fight back . . . 99% of the time the next time they'll leave you alone and go in search of a victim that won't fight back". I've found this to be true.
The cunning and cowardly constantly look for ways to subvert and twist the rule of law for purposes and results that the framers/writers of the law never intended in my observations.


John Adams said, "Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." Just so.
There are places where this can be discussed and expounded upon. . . just not here. :( The Oxford dictionary defines truth as "that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality." It seems that in an urge to be inclusive and non-offensive we, as a nation, have allowed relativism to subvert that common sense wisdom.
 
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From the WaPo this morning:

"...More than a quarter of protesters arrested Tuesday at Columbia University and 60 percent of those arrested at the City College of New York had no connections to the institutions, according to data from the New York Police Department.
 Police arrested 282 protesters at the two New York schools on Tuesday. Of the 112 arrested at Columbia, 32 were not affiliated with the school, according to police. At CCNY, police said 102 of the 170 arrested there were not affiliated with that school..."
 
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WCCPHD said:
As my late father used to say: The root of the problem is people just don't have enough to do.

If they did, other things would be their priority.
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When your worried about where your next meal is coming from or if you have enough wood to stay warm, you don't get too concerned about whats going on 6,000 miles away.
 
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