Question for S&W 327 PC Owners

[cremaley]

As many of you know I recently purchased a 327 PC 2" revolver. I love everything about this revolver but am some what surprise by the weight of the double action trigger. While it is smooth it feels heavier than I imagined it would coming out of the Performance Center. Have any of you other owners done anything to lighten the double action trigger pull. I know there are competition spring kits you can purchase but I'm guessing that installing one would void the warranty.

 

[brjr51]

Mines not bad compared to some of my other newer S&W's. Not that it helps you any, but I consider it a strictly self defense gun, therefore I'm leaving it factory.

 

[cremaley]

Mines not bad compared to some of my other newer S&W's. Not that it helps you any, but I consider it a strictly self defense gun, therefore I'm leaving it factory.

Yes mine is one of my EDC's so I am not looking to go crazy with the trigger. Maybe my best option is to shoot the snot out of it and let that lower the pull weight.

 

[Sgt 45]

Be wary of too light of a trigger pull. I had a 686+ that was giving me light primer strikes, had to replace the mainspring with something heavier. I may have the same problem with a 325 TR but need to fire it some more, that may just be really old ammo.

 

[wadcutter1]

I find the trigger pull pretty light and extremely smooth. I'd say shoot and dry fire it until you get to know the trigger well. I'm not a fan of lightening triggers on revolvers unless it's going to be a dedicated target gun.

 

[cremaley]

I find the trigger pull pretty light and extremely smooth. I'd say shoot and dry fire it until you get to know the trigger well. I'm not a fan of lightening triggers on revolvers unless it's going to be a dedicated target gun.

Do you use snap caps when you dry fire. I don't use them with my pistols but I thought it might be a good idea with a revolver.

 

[wadcutter1]

I don't to be honest. I like to look through the cylinder and see they are empty before dry firing. I feel odd loading snap caps though many others like them.

 

[cremaley]

I don't to be honest. I like to look through the cylinder and see they are empty before dry firing. I feel odd loading snap caps though many others like them.

I dry fire a great deal so I thought the snap caps would be helpful to protect the firing pin.

 

[Pizza Bob]

Ad copy can say anything it wants to. PC triggers are often times no better (sometimes worse) than standard production gun triggers.

If this is a S/D piece and is carried, I'd stay away from any spring changes - that opens a whole other can of worms. A competent gunsmith can do a "carry gun" action job, where it will remain reliable. In this instance you are looking for more smoothness rather than a lighter pull - with a smoother action the perceived pull weight will be less.

Adios,

Pizza Bob

 

[cremaley]

Ad copy can say anything it wants to. PC triggers are often times no better (sometimes worse) than standard production gun triggers.

If this is a S/D piece and is carried, I'd stay away from any spring changes - that opens a whole other can of worms. A competent gunsmith can do a "carry gun" action job, where it will remain reliable. In this instance you are looking for more smoothness rather than a lighter pull - with a smoother action the perceived pull weight will be less.

Adios,

Pizza Bob

Sounds like great advise. Thanks Pizza Bob.

 

[cremaley]

Got my TK Custom moon clip loader today. What a difference. 48 rounds loaded in no time and no sore thumbs. After using the moon clip loader I got 7 moon clips to easily drop into the cylinder. 5 were an absolute no go including the 3 that came with my S&W 327. I spoke with the owner of TK Custom today and he told me he makes all of Smith and Wesson moon clips and the ones that came with my 327 will not accept Fiochhi ammo. He does have ones that will fit Fiochhi along with other brands which I may order at a later date.

 

[Octagun]

I've had a few PC guns over the years and in my experience the trigger pull varies more between individual guns than the models. I will say though my 327 TRR8 has the smoothest trigger of any revolver I've ever owned.

I just found a 327 2" PC yesterday and am waiting for it to be transferred. I sold one many years ago due to IL issues but I'm excited to get back on that horse! I hope it's trigger is smooth like it's big brother.

If you haven't seen the BMT mooners I highly recommend them. I order my moon clips from SpeedBeez which are made by TK I believe. Never had a problem with them.

 

[CH4]

Yes mine is one of my EDC's so I am not looking to go crazy with the trigger. Maybe my best option is to shoot the snot out of it and let that lower the pull weight.

Shooting the snot out of it and or dry firing the snot out of it while watching a John Wayne or Clint Eastwood movie on a rainy day.

 

[cremaley]

Shooting the snot out of it and or dry firing the snot out of it while watching a John Wayne or Clint Eastwood movie on a rainy day.

Now that sounds like a hell of an idea.

 

[cremaley]

So I have been taking your advise and dry firing the snot out of my 327 and I must say the trigger action has improved considerably. The action is much smoother and the trigger feels lighter. My trigger gauge only goes up to 8 pounds so I can't get an accurate double action weight but the single action is coming in right at 4 pounds. Next time I visit my LGS I'll have they check the double action weight for me. I am very happy with the trigger action at this point.

 

[cremaley]

Would those of you who own the S&W 327 and have measured its double action trigger weight please let me know what that weight is so I can compare it to mine once I visit my LGS to have it measured. Thanks.

 

[studenygreg]

Would those of you who own the S&W 327 and have measured its double action trigger weight please let me know what that weight is so I can compare it to mine once I visit my LGS to have it measured. Thanks.

I can try to check mine.

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[cremaley]

I would really be interested to know if anyones double action trigger weight is under 10 pounds. I have dry fired the 2020 Colt Python and the trigger action is excellent coming in at 8-9 pounds in double action and under 4 in single. I owned a 6 inch Python back in the day but regrettably sold it. That notwithstanding, I still love my new S&W 327 and really glad I bought it.

 

[Lou_the_welder]

I would really be interested to know if anyones double action trigger weight is under 10 pounds. I have dry fired the 2020 Colt Python and the trigger action is excellent coming in at 8-9 pounds in double action and under 4 in single. I owned a 6 inch Python back in the day but regrettably sold it. That notwithstanding, I still love my new S&W 327 and really glad I bought it.

I did record a 9# DA , 2.75# SA pull on my 327 R8.
Looking over my notes, it still had the ribbed mainspring.....but I added a 12# Wilson combat rebound slide spring. .....

So, yes. It can be lower.

 

[cremaley]

I did record a 9# DA , 2.75# SA pull on my 327 R8.
Looking over my notes, it still had the ribbed mainspring.....but I added a 12# Wilson combat rebound slide spring. .....

So, yes. It can be lower.

Thanks for your input. Since my 327 is my EDC I don't think I want to replace any of the factory parts so I will continue to dry fire on a daily basis and shoot it as often as I can to smooth out and hopefully lower the trigger weight just a bit.

 

[Lou_the_welder]

Thanks for your input. Since my 327 is my EDC I don't think I want to replace any of the factory parts so I will continue to dry fire on a daily basis and shoot it as often as I can to smooth out and hopefully lower the trigger weight just a bit.

I would never modify a carry gun. Or a HD one.
But my 327 has been flawless even with CCI and Winchester primers. It being a range gun for me.

 

[cremaley]

I would never modify a carry gun. Or a HD one.
But my 327 has been flawless even with CCI and Winchester primers. It being a range gun for me.

Do you use moon clips with your 327?

 

[Johnnu2]

You might want to remove the side plate and see if there's a 'sandy substance' inside there which might be clogging things up. I have personally come across two PC guns that were unbelievably clogged. Once cleaned, they were much better. p.s. If you don't know the proper method of side-plate removal, get help before you do damage.
J.

 

[cremaley]

You might want to remove the side plate and see if there's a 'sandy substance' inside there which might be clogging things up. I have personally come across two PC guns that were unbelievably clogged. Once cleaned, they were much better. p.s. If you don't know the proper method of side-plate removal, get help before you do damage.
J.

Thanks. I'll be sure to check that.

 

[Lou_the_welder]

Do you use moon clips with your 327?

I only use moonclips with my 327/627's. There is no point for me to not use them.
I like Ranch products (.025") with Winchester brass or Starline. Although I have loaded Fiocchi or American before too, range brass.
On the 357's, the trick is to find the right nose bullet and crimp, that would work on an 8 round clip. On my reloaded ammo, I use Xtreme 158gr RNFP with success and make sure that the crimp prevents any hangups you may have when inserting the clips.
On 38 specials most ammo works. Sometimes they may be a little tight - again. One must know the right bullets to use with the clips. It's kinda trial and error.
For 38 short colts is where the clips do shine! The moonclipped drops are effortless and non existent binding make it a favourite at the range for practice or competition.

I take a box of 200 38 short Colts and 100 or so 357 magnums loaded with Winchester 231 powder ; at a time during my range sessions...

 

[cremaley]

I only use moonclips with my 327/627's. There is no point for me to not use them.
I like Ranch products (.025") with Winchester brass or Starline. Although I have loaded Fiocchi or American before too, range brass.
On the 357's, the trick is to find the right nose bullet and crimp, that would work on an 8 round clip. On my reloaded ammo, I use Xtreme 158gr RNFP with success and make sure that the crimp prevents any hangups you may have when inserting the clips.
On 38 specials most ammo works. Sometimes they may be a little tight - again. One must know the right bullets to use with the clips. It's kinda trial and error.
For 38 short colts is where the clips do shine! The moonclipped drops are effortless and non existent binding make it a favourite at the range for practice or competition.

I take a box of 200 38 short Colts and 100 or so 357 magnums loaded with Winchester 231 powder ; at a time during my range sessions...

Thanks Lou. I currently shoot Fiocchi .38 Special 130 grain for my range ammo and I've had issues with the 3 moon clips provided by Smith and Wesson with my 327. They are extremely hard to load and when loaded will not drop into the cylinder. I ordered additional ones from Speed Beez and they work much better. I also ordered and received a moon clip loader from TK Custom which works well. I did notice on the TK Custom website that there are a set of moon clips designed for both Fiocchi and Hornady brass which I will most likely order.

 

[cremaley]

So after tons of dry firing the single action trigger pull is now 3 pounds 12 ounces down from 4 pounds. Still can't measure the double action since my trigger gauge tops out at 8 pounds. Just made a decision to order the Lyman Digital Scale so I can get an accurate measure of the double action. Hopefully, I'll have it in about a week.

 

[studenygreg]

Just checked mine. Double action avg is 11lbs 6.6oz. Single action 4lbs 12.9oz

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[studenygreg]

I just ordered a spring kit from wilson combat. I've installed several of these over the past few years. Install is easy. The parts are cheap and reversible. I've never had a round not go off. I will probably do a little polishing while I have it open.

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[cremaley]

I just ordered a spring kit from wilson combat. I've installed several of these over the past few years. Install is easy. The parts are cheap and reversible. I've never had a round not go off. I will probably do a little polishing while I have it open.

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Would you please let us know your trigger weight before and after? Thanks.