Range Photos-Armalite 180

I also have an AR 180 by Howa with the Armalite 2.75x scope and quick disconnect base. It looks like the setup on 45Wheelgun's rifle. And, yes, Mack, my scope has the thick post coming down from the top. I've often wondered about that and if it was a defect, mistake, upside down???
What do ya'll know about it.
I picked my AR180 up at an auction about a year ago and still haven't taken it out...but I think I'm going to soon.
Also, is the charging handle/bolt supposed to lock in back position? Mine does not.
Steve
 
Thanks Foxtrot for the additional info. My Howa made 180 does have the "0" handstamped. It lines up OK but you can tell it was done separately from the "18". Its deeper and not as clean. My serial is is S0007xx; also, 1970.
This is a good thread--didn't expect it on a S&W forum.
Steve
I just finished reading all of your posts, Foxtrot, on the AR180. My rifle is exactly like 45Wheelgun's pertaining to the evidence of conversion. If its worth that kind of money, I probably won't be shooting it. Thanks.
 
That brought back some memories. The Arlington, TX police department used the AR180 for their first Tactical Unit back in the late 70's. I lugged one around during some training exercises, but never got to shoot one as I wasn't selected for the team.
 
I also have an AR 180 by Howa with the Armalite 2.75x scope and quick disconnect base. It looks like the setup on 45Wheelgun's rifle. And, yes, Mack, my scope has the thick post coming down from the top. I've often wondered about that and if it was a defect, mistake, upside down???
What do ya'll know about it.
I picked my AR180 up at an auction about a year ago and still haven't taken it out...but I think I'm going to soon.
Also, is the charging handle/bolt supposed to lock in back position? Mine does not.
Steve

At whatever range the scope is dialed in for, on a human target, just set the point of the upside down post on top of the head and pull the trigger. The desired result will be achieved! :eek:

This type of reticle was originally used in the AR15/M16 scope, which for all intents and purposes is the same scope on a different mount. I have the same setup, but I believe I have the dual X crosshairs, but I haven't looked at it in a long time. Back in the day, I used to dust C cell batteries with mine using the peep sights at 75 yards. The little scope's okay, but it's only 2.75 power. Good for close range though.
 
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Regarding the original Armalite scope used with the AR-180 - there were three versions of the earliest model of the scope. The adjustment was a BDC adjustment. The most earliest had an inverted post reticle and adjustment marked in meters - the next version had an inverted post reticle and adjustment marked in yards - the third version had a duplex reticle with crosshairs. The scopes were 2.75 x 20mm.

Not my picture, but shows the above information (don't have a picture for the third version):

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Also, is the charging handle/bolt supposed to lock in back position? Mine does not.
Steve

In a word, YES. If you are using original AR18/180 mags. There may be a problem with converted AR15/M16 mags. There is a ledge on the rear of the follower that is supposed to activate the bolt hold open device. Sometimes when people convert AR mags they don't get that part of the conversion right.

I'm surprised Jaymoore hasn't weighed in on this thread as he has an AR180 (I believe a Sterling) that he converted to use M16 mags. Maybe he hasn't seen this thread yet. I'm sure he'd be glad to post some pics..........
 
AR-15 mag conversion for use with the AR-180


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I have the second type Armalite scope with the inverted post, 2.75 x 20mm, adjustments in yards.
My magazine is stamped on the base -- AR-18
Armalite, Inc.
But the bolt does not lock in open. Could it be an internal problem.
I appreciate all the info. All this time I thought the scope was defective!
Steve
 
AR-15 mag conversion for use with the AR-180


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Thanks for posting that sketch. I was going to make up few extra ar15 mags for my AR180 the slot and mag stop mods are a gimmie but I didn't notice the difference in the follower.
 
........... I also need the leather caps for my scope.
My leather caps are in great shape. Excellent quality leather but the elastic between the caps is getting rotten(the rubber strips in the elastic)with age and I will have to replace the elastic some time soon...so if you find a pair of caps with bad looking elastic you better buy them you may never find a excellent pair.
 
I loved that gun.Carried a Sterling AR180 while on Patrol while serving on a NW Indiana Sheriffs Dept.Used it on the Tactical Team(SWAT).My friends who carried H&K,AR15 used to make fun of the charging handle.They called it a "Crank".That little AR180 Cranked out some very good accuracy at the range.Dont have it anymore,sold it in Arizona.
 
I owned # S 01XX which I bought directly from the Costa Mesa facility. The CEO of Armalite at that time was Colonel Burton Miller (USAF-RET). He was a friend to many law enforcement agencies in our area plus one of our officers would assist him in demonstrations to other agencies. I used it for years both during my time on SWAT and for recreation. It was an excellent weapon that never gave me any problems. I fired thousands of rounds through it and it worked flawlessly. I sold it and many others in my collection to help pay for my son's medical bills just prior to his death. I was sorry to see it go but tough times require unwanted decisions.

I tried to purchase a replacement later on but their value has gone sky high. Too high for this old retiree. I liked it better than the M16/AR15. I had trained on both. One thing, it did not need was a forward assist and always worked during various tests that I did. In addition to the standard model there was the short barrel version (10.25" if memory serves me right) which also was easy to control on full auto. I fired many AR 18's in both models back then thanks to Col. Miller. Both the 18 and 180 were and I assume still are nice weapons. Thanks to this thread for the memories.
 
Based on the press of the day (mostly gun rags) the AR-18 was intended as a low tech rifle that could be produced with relatively simple and generally available industrial machines. Imagine if Guide Lamp Division of GM had tooled up to make AR-18s like they did M-3 Grease Guns!
Given changes in technology the difference in price between the stamped AR-18 and the cast AR-15 is negligible or even negative and AR parts are very easy to buy on a competitive market.
I remember the abuse heaped on the Sterling AR-180s by "Pistolero" Magazine. "A light duty semi-auto that broke the extractor." "I personally think that the gun is an absoute piece of trash. It's overrated junk, it is useless. I believe it is dangerous to the user as well as to the person that you'd be shooting at." Pg. 62 Pistolero March 1982. These were Sterling made rifles.
Geoff
Who went to the Gun Room and found the reference.
 
An oddity regarding the AR-180 selectors; The Howa AR-180s are marked SAFE and FIRE and the selector rotates 180 degrees - the Sterling's and Costa Mesa AR-180s are marked SAFE and SEMI and the selector rotates 90 degrees.

Put together a picture for the AR-180 selectors differences between Howa and Costa Mesa/Sterling produced models. The bottom left is from the ones posted by 45Wheelgun of his Howa AR-180 earlier in this thread. The other two are from pictures I already had, forgot where they came from.

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In a word, YES. If you are using original AR18/180 mags. There may be a problem with converted AR15/M16 mags. There is a ledge on the rear of the follower that is supposed to activate the bolt hold open device. Sometimes when people convert AR mags they don't get that part of the conversion right.

I'm surprised Jaymoore hasn't weighed in on this thread as he has an AR180 (I believe a Sterling) that he converted to use M16 mags. Maybe he hasn't seen this thread yet. I'm sure he'd be glad to post some pics..........

Had not seen the thread until KenL brought to my attention. I had a Costa Mesa which was fine, but it just seemed nutty use anything but M16 mags which are all over the place. I even keep some in the range bag as a permanent thing, just in case.

Went and made form block which was a force fit into the mag well and then carefully "massaged" the bump from the outside. Didn't even mar the finish on the outside. The inside does show polishing marks. Milled a slot for a mag retaining bar which was attached to a bit of rod that had a nut on the far side to capture the spring. The nut also bore againt the underside of the old mag release which had the catch dressed back far enough not to mar the M16 mags. It worked perfectly after a minor adjustment to lower the top surface of the new catch, which was done on purpose, just to ensure I hadn't made a positioning error.

If there's any Costa Mesa purists out there, then it'll be an affront, but the conversion seems entirely practical. Probably not economical unless someone tries to streamline the process, but my experiment was dandy!

Can't remember why I sold it. Nothing at all wrong with the rifle. Probably to buy something outrageously expensive that sees less use...Maybe that LMT L129a1 clone.
 
I wish I didn't see this thread since it brings back the deep
regrets I've had, for years, of selling my, Costa Mesa, AR 180. :o

Back in the day my friend had a jig that we used
to convert many AR15 magazines to AR180's.

We also used to make a replacement pin that the folding stock pivots, swings on.
The replacement pin had a head (mounted up) with a hole in it that would accept a sling
clip. We used a ring, with hole up & to the left, on the barrel for the other mounting point.

For about 5 years, back in the late 70's early 80's, my main ccw was the AR180,
with the stock removed. With the sling set-up mentioned above I could sling it on my back,
under my heavy, or light for that matter, coat, and quickly swing it up into action,
which saved my bacon one night. The other guy had a snub nose revolver and he quickly
thought better of what he was doing when he seen the 180 appear out of "nowhere." ;)

That was actually only one of two times that the 180 was in the right place, at the
right time, both times is was up against a snubbie revolver, although once was
when I was in my truck, where I had a rack for it mounted on "the floor hump."

The only trouble I had with mine was when firing rifle grenade parachute flares off of it.
I blew the gas-piston, which turned it into a "single shot" that night, and when contacting
Armalite found out that, based on the serial no., my original piston was an early one,
made in Japan, from a batch with known metallurgical issues that created a brittle condition.
They sent me a new one right away, no charge.

Ah, the memories of a rifle that I truly felt one with.......:cool:
 
Just thought i'd bring up something that shows even the Armalite AR-18/180 basic and dependable design (which beats the stuffing out of Colts M4 dependability with a well manufactured and maintained AR-18/180) is alive and well in modern day weapons. Take a look at this video of the Remington ACR (a current competition contender for replacement of the M4 carbine) and see if anything looks familiar when they start taking it apart (in animation).

Remington ACR
 
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Remington ACR - awesome looking rifle and concept. What I find very interesting, if it's identical to the Magpul/Bushmaster ACR version, is it has a melonite barrel.
 
This thread brings back fond memories.

I picked up a NIB Costa Mesa from a customer in about 1993/4. Traded him a spare Armscorp M14 I had.

Made mags out of USGI M16 mags and still have several with the slot cut in the side. I never needed to flatten the hump to get them to fit, or work.

Ended up selling it to a friend who passed away about 5 years ago and don't know what happened to the 180.

I still have the original manual, though.
 
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