My issues are probably worthy of a new thread, but for now, I'll continue here. I've officially decided to contact S&W customer service. The failures to extract/doublefeeds have now happened with: Federal Champion 115gr brass, Blazer Brass 124gr, Blazer Brass 115gr, Fiocchi brass 115gr, WWB 115gr. Yesterday, I actually got a spent casing hung on the extractor and it took some force to get it loose. All of the problem casings appear unremarkable. Oddly, I now have around 100 rounds of Federal 124gr HST through the gun with zero issues. Anyway, I'm hoping S&W will get it straightened out. This is a very easy gun to shoot accurately and I plan on keeping it.
Range report SD9VE
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GRU_ 7_ mech
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Since I bought a CZ P-07 and a Kahr CM9 the SD9VE has taken a backseat when it comes to range time. Buying the .22 conversion kit for the CZ affords me more range time and more getting to handle the CZ while shooting cheaper ammo. The Kahr....well it just is a great CCW as it is very concealable and accurate. However....... every time I take the SD9VE to the range, I get nothing but great results with the operation of this firearm. I am less accurate than with the other two, but only slightly. Mine will perform with any and all ammo I have ever loaded in it. Also, I have never lost the feeling of how great it just fit my hand the first time I picked it up at the LGS. I have sold or traded many firearms over the years, but the SD9VE will be a hand me down to a family member when I die.
msjdgman
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Called Smith & Wesson. Had a return label in my inbox before I even hung up the phone. I'm hoping they'll take time to put enough rounds through the gun to see what I'm experiencing. The failures happen about every 50-60 rounds or so. If they only fire a mag or two, they many not experience any failures. The failures have now happened among 3 different shooters with about the same frequency. I can't wait to get this thing running 100%.
Thanks for taking the time to write up your range report. Mid-magazine feed issues may be caused by oil in the magazine according to GunBlue490 in one of his many YouTube videos.
lhump1961
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I've been using Lubriplate on all rails for years with no issues. If I'm going to put one in the truck long term I don't grease the rails...hate to attract dirt and have it stick more than necessary.
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Sorry for taking so long to get back but it took me a while to finally find range time once my gun returned from Smith & Wesson. Turnaround time was 3 weeks from the time S&W "checked in" the gun, which was about 6 days after Fedex delivery confirmation- so almost 4 weeks. Not too bad. The work order indicated that they replaced the extractor and polished the chamber. The gun was quite dirty still and appeared to retain the same grease on the slide rails so I'm assuming they didn't clean or relube the gun, other than removing any compound from polishing the chamber. Anyway, the issue seems to be fixed. I put close to 200 rounds through it today and all rounds extracted fine. I did have, towards the end of the range session, 2 ejection failures. They didn't stovepipe but remained forward-facing with the claw of the extractor still on the rim. The top round of the mag attempted to feed but was being held low by the extracted casing. This only happened twice and was limited to one mag. I fired a full mag through the other mag after this happened. The gun was quite dirty and grimy as I deliberately took a dirty gun to the range to see how it functioned since going back and under worst case scenario. I'm not nearly as concerned over what happened today and tap rack bang worked just fine, whereas the extraction failures I was having before service were a lot more complicated to clear. I'm going to make a return trip later in the week with a clean and lubed gun. Barring any issues then, I will consider problems solved and will be very happy with this gun.
Again, I suggest breaking in this trigger before making changes for anyone thinking about going to an Apex or some such gizmo. Mine is butter smooth and breaks crisp. If I have no more issues, this will get a lot of range time in the future, with the stock trigger.
Again, I suggest breaking in this trigger before making changes for anyone thinking about going to an Apex or some such gizmo. Mine is butter smooth and breaks crisp. If I have no more issues, this will get a lot of range time in the future, with the stock trigger.
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Gordon11
Here is a thought on the cycling issues you related. Maybe someone covered this already. I did not read all the posts.
On the SD9, and other pistols I have shot, if my top thumb is in contact with the slide, even the slightest amount, it can consume some of the slide energy/momentum to cycle properly. This became obvious to me when a couple of times the slide did not lock open after final round.
The spring and recoil energy are quite finely balanced, and if your thumb contact with the slide interferes with that, the may not have enough momentum to properly cycle.
My hands are quite big and calloused, so I was not even aware I was in contact with the slide at first.
Just a though FWIW.
Here is a thought on the cycling issues you related. Maybe someone covered this already. I did not read all the posts.
On the SD9, and other pistols I have shot, if my top thumb is in contact with the slide, even the slightest amount, it can consume some of the slide energy/momentum to cycle properly. This became obvious to me when a couple of times the slide did not lock open after final round.
The spring and recoil energy are quite finely balanced, and if your thumb contact with the slide interferes with that, the may not have enough momentum to properly cycle.
My hands are quite big and calloused, so I was not even aware I was in contact with the slide at first.
Just a though FWIW.
Magazine load
I always put 15 rounds in the SD9Ve 16 round magazine and 9 rounds in a 10 round magazine. No issues, no problem, no stress. Why fight with a magazine when there are other things to do, shooting for example?
I always put 15 rounds in the SD9Ve 16 round magazine and 9 rounds in a 10 round magazine. No issues, no problem, no stress. Why fight with a magazine when there are other things to do, shooting for example?
Finally returned to the range with a clean and lubed gun, and after an extended range session with no issues, I officially declare the gun FIXED. Needless to say, I am happy with S&W customer service. The gun is now assigned HD duty and occasional carry status. My 'no issues' comment isn't entirely accurate… I did have one failure to lock back on empty, but I made a note of which mag it occurred with and that mag will be backup.
ive had lots of issues with remaned ammo, from freedom.
maybe 6-10 within 500-600 rds.
first 100-200 rds, 2 fte.
then I had a flawless 150 rds, cleaned and lubed, ran another 150 rds without much issue at the range using freedomunition. Next range trip I had 3 issues, 3 double feeds within 150 rds, I think my gun was dirty. Then no issues again for about 50 rounds, and then all of a sudden a blown primer, I was pissed, my first time having that happen, not really shaken, but it could be been dangerous... However, I have had it fire maybe 150 rds of nice new ammo after that incident without issue...
sorry for the rant, but im going to say its bad ammo, until I go thru this batch of **** reman ammo from freedom, another 500 to go.
maybe 6-10 within 500-600 rds.
first 100-200 rds, 2 fte.
then I had a flawless 150 rds, cleaned and lubed, ran another 150 rds without much issue at the range using freedomunition. Next range trip I had 3 issues, 3 double feeds within 150 rds, I think my gun was dirty. Then no issues again for about 50 rounds, and then all of a sudden a blown primer, I was pissed, my first time having that happen, not really shaken, but it could be been dangerous... However, I have had it fire maybe 150 rds of nice new ammo after that incident without issue...
sorry for the rant, but im going to say its bad ammo, until I go thru this batch of **** reman ammo from freedom, another 500 to go.
I agree that lube is the likely culprit. Candidly I cannot understand the use of heavy lube on a semi. I come from the school that says less is more. I use Rem oil and Rem DriLube on my 22 Compact and my RM380. No failure ever with over a thousand rounds firedmin the 22 and T least 500 in the 380.
I guess we could argue this forever, so I will end my comments on this point by saying less lube is best, and do it more often.
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