Rastoff's Challenge- Dropping the Gauntlet
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Perfectly fine by me. Considering the cylinder limitations, it's a reasonable alternative. This is not a reload drill and it's difficult enough without adding a reload.
In fact, it's what I offer to my students if they show up with a 5 round revolver. So far, all have opted to do it the 4, 6, 6, 4 method, but I offer the 5x4 as well.
Neither is it an advantage for you. Yes, you get one more shot at 3 yards, but you also have to take one more at 10. That evens it out in my book.
Nice shooting.
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I just saw this competition on Friday when it was mentioned in another forum. I had to go to the range today to sight in a couple of red dots on my rifles.
I figured I would bring my 2 main carry guns and run a round of each to give this a try. My FN Five Seven and my S&W 586 L Comp.
My main carry is an FN Five Seven. If you are not familiar with this gun, you should become familiar. The SS198 rounds I carry and practice with leave the barrel at 2400 Fps. And when they enter a soft target they tumble like mad. Very devastating round. The gun weighs 27 ozs fully loaded with 21 rounds! 5" barrel we are talking about here. I carry it IWB wearing shorts and a t shirt. I live in South Florida and that is how I dress everyday. A loaded 20 round mag weighs 7 ozs. I have thousands of rounds through my two 5 7s. They are built and run like fine Swiss watches. 500 rounds and the gun is as clean as when you started. Most accurate handguns I have owned and very little recoil. Amazing gun!
Here are the results of my one round.
Next up was my 586 L Comp shot DA only. This is the gun I carry when I want to carry a wheelgun. Granted it has been tuned, but it is still a DA pull albeit a light one. My one round.
I'm going to head to the range this week and actually warm up with these guns and then run a few rounds. I'll be back!
I figured I would bring my 2 main carry guns and run a round of each to give this a try. My FN Five Seven and my S&W 586 L Comp.
My main carry is an FN Five Seven. If you are not familiar with this gun, you should become familiar. The SS198 rounds I carry and practice with leave the barrel at 2400 Fps. And when they enter a soft target they tumble like mad. Very devastating round. The gun weighs 27 ozs fully loaded with 21 rounds! 5" barrel we are talking about here. I carry it IWB wearing shorts and a t shirt. I live in South Florida and that is how I dress everyday. A loaded 20 round mag weighs 7 ozs. I have thousands of rounds through my two 5 7s. They are built and run like fine Swiss watches. 500 rounds and the gun is as clean as when you started. Most accurate handguns I have owned and very little recoil. Amazing gun!
Here are the results of my one round.
Next up was my 586 L Comp shot DA only. This is the gun I carry when I want to carry a wheelgun. Granted it has been tuned, but it is still a DA pull albeit a light one. My one round.
I'm going to head to the range this week and actually warm up with these guns and then run a few rounds. I'll be back!
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That is some fine shooting!!! I'm sure you will get them all in the orange on the next try or two.
Thanks for the support Bob O! I will definitely try a couple of more rounds this week with these same guns.
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Nice shooting HarrishMasher.
I must say, I'm impressed with a lot of the wheel gun guys here. I'm pretty sure I can't do that well while shooting DA on every shot. Hmmm, I will have to try it with a wheel gun. I guess I"m challenging myself.
I must say, I'm impressed with a lot of the wheel gun guys here. I'm pretty sure I can't do that well while shooting DA on every shot. Hmmm, I will have to try it with a wheel gun. I guess I"m challenging myself.
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Nice shooting HarrishMasher.
I must say, I'm impressed with a lot of the wheel gun guys here. I'm pretty sure I can't do that well while shooting DA on every shot. Hmmm, I will have to try it with a wheel gun. I guess I"m challenging myself.
Thanks!
I got into revolvers the last couple of years. I try to get out once a week. I can't begin to tell you how much my handgun shooting has improved since I have gotten serious about revolvers. Once you learn to shoot a DA revolver well, you will be amazed at how all of your shooting improves.
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Just curious here...
Is it the follow through? Or just the concentration of keeping a smooth pull? Would makes sense.
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If you can master a smooth pull on a DA revolver, you should be able to get a smooth pull on a SA.
Here's how I teach trigger pull for maximum accuracy:
If you do all that, the bullet will go through the center. Of course we all move a little as we shoot. Still, being able to maintain the sight picture through a long DA pull is great practice and takes better than average concentration.
For self-defense, still build pressure until it goes off, just do it faster.
Here's how I teach trigger pull for maximum accuracy:
- Obtain the full sight picture with hard focus on the front sight.
- Concentrate on keeping the front sight on target as you build pressure on the trigger.
- Keep focus on the front sight and front sight on target until the gun goes off.
- Obtain full sight picture after the shot. This is the mythical follow through that will make you a good shot.
If you do all that, the bullet will go through the center. Of course we all move a little as we shoot. Still, being able to maintain the sight picture through a long DA pull is great practice and takes better than average concentration.
For self-defense, still build pressure until it goes off, just do it faster.
Speaking of DAO, here are the Rastoff's Challenge results for my DAO SIG P250 subcompact .380, and my Shield 9. I didn't come close to beating Rastoff or any of the other top guys. I guess I'll have to break out my ace in the hole, my H&R Expert .22LR revolver with a 10" barrel, a 1mm high rear sight with a 1mm wide notch, and a 50-lb. DA pull. It'll be a slam dunk! 
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It is definitely the smooth pull. Don't make the mistake of trying to slowly stage the trigger for a single-action like shot, you would never have the time to do that in a defensive situation.
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I nearly got it right
I purchased my first handgun on 6-30-2015; an S&W Model 19, .357 Magnum revolver. I have taken the NRA Basic Pistol Shooting course, and I have read/studied all that I can find about my Model 19 and other handguns.
I was excited about taking this Rastoff I challenge. I went to my local gun range today and shot the challenge as described: D/A for revolvers, standing, 2-handed grip.
I got home, photographed my target with handgun, to post my results. I noticed that there are only 18 holes in the target.
I forgot to reload my 6-shot revolver (3 x 6 = 18) and take the last 2 shots at the 10 yard/30 foot distance! One of the 9s was from the 10 yd. distance. Details, Details, Details...
I purchased my first handgun on 6-30-2015; an S&W Model 19, .357 Magnum revolver. I have taken the NRA Basic Pistol Shooting course, and I have read/studied all that I can find about my Model 19 and other handguns.
I was excited about taking this Rastoff I challenge. I went to my local gun range today and shot the challenge as described: D/A for revolvers, standing, 2-handed grip.
I got home, photographed my target with handgun, to post my results. I noticed that there are only 18 holes in the target.
I forgot to reload my 6-shot revolver (3 x 6 = 18) and take the last 2 shots at the 10 yard/30 foot distance! One of the 9s was from the 10 yd. distance. Details, Details, Details...
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Thanks for the kind words, and for not commenting on my counting ability.
BTW, what does MSP stand for?
Massachusetts State Police,
Michigan State Police, etc.?
BTW, what does MSP stand for?
Massachusetts State Police,
Michigan State Police, etc.?
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Nice shooting Patmcclat, but I'm a little confused. If you followed the format of 4, 6, 6, 4, how did you miss any shots?
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I loaded 6 rounds into my revolver 3 times. When the gun was empty after 18 rounds, I brought the target back to the bench to admire my results.
I didn't remember to load two more rounds to complete the final 4 shots, before bringing the target back to the bay.
I didn't remember to load two more rounds to complete the final 4 shots, before bringing the target back to the bay.
Patmcclat
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Bob, I am a life-long Michigan resident.
Thank you for your service to the state of Michigan.
Congratulations on your retirement; you earned it.
Thank you for your service to the state of Michigan.
Congratulations on your retirement; you earned it.
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