Rastoff's Challenge- Dropping the Gauntlet

[RobzGuns]

I made it to the range this morning and ran the challenge.
The only pistol used today was my 9mm Shield (my carry pistol).

The 1st target was shot 'cold' (no Warm Up).
The Orange center on that target is 2" in Diameter.

The 2nd pic of three 6" 'Shoot-N-C' targets are as followed:
Left Target was @ 21', All shots were Controlled Pairs. My Followup shots seem to be going Low-Left.
Center Target was a repeat of the Challenge.
Right Target was at 30', mostly single shots, 1sec-2sec intervals.
For reference, on the 6" Shoot-N-C targets, the distance from one number 9 to the other number 9, is 2" across.

If I can do this with a Little ol' Shield, you guys with the bigger artillery should be able to handle this challenge.

 

[RobzGuns]

Man! I sure expected alot more people on this forum to participate. Guess we have more "talkers", than "shooters", huh?

Considering the challenge was only posted last Friday, this ain't such a bad turnout... Especially with this weekend's weather.

 

[ContinentalOp]

I was able to hit the range this morning to do the challenge. I fired it cold, no warm-up or practice runs.

I used my 642 (stock except for Spegel boot grips), firing Remington UMC Leadless 125gr FNEB.

The gun:

4 rounds @ 3 yards
6 rounds @ 5 yards
6 rounds @ 7 yards
4 rounds @ 10 yards

I'm not sure if the target's dimensions match the B27, so I took a couple more photos with a tape measure for reference:

And for the defense-minded, I did three 5-shot strings, rapid-fire, 1-handed, at 3 yards, using Speer SB-GDHP. The last 5-shot string was fired after drawing from concealment.

I used my Side Guard Quick Clip holster:

Not exactly award-winning marksmanship, but I think it would suffice.

Also noticed my groups concentrating to the left. I'll have to look into that.

 

[Shorty 45 MK2]

Went on my lunch break and tried out my "new" 4516. I had a 100rd warm up, but since it's the first time I shot this pistol I think it's fair.

First round at 3, 5, 7 and 10 yards were DA followed with SA. per the rules. Ammo used was Winchester 230gr. ball.

Here's the result....

Well I didn't beat Rastoff. So he was right on that account. At least I have room to improve!

With a ruler.

 

[ContinentalOp]

Went on my lunch break and tried out my "new" 4516. I had a 100rd warm up, but since it's the first time I shot this pistol I think it's fair.

First round at 3, 5, 7 and 10 yards were DA followed with SA. per the rules. Ammo used was Winchester 230gr. ball.

Nicely done.

 

[ContinentalOp]

Everybody's targets look really good to me. I'm looking forward to seeing more results.

Thanks for the great thread, Rastoff.

 

[Shorty 45 MK2]

Nicely done.

Thank you.

Your's ain't bad either!

 

[ContinentalOp]

Thank you.

Your's ain't bad either!

Thanks.

 

[P&R Fan]

When I got my first carry permit in 1985 you had to take a class and then "qualify". It was at about 7 yards, and the target was a round bullseye. You had to just hit the black, a circle about 10" wide, 5 times out of 10. You could shoot any way you wanted. Standing, prone, with a rest, whatever. They said to load 5 rounds, shoot them, and then 5 more. I took my Dad's K-22. Loaded 6 rounds, easily put them in the black from a standing position and stopped. There was an old guy there shooting a single action .22. He put the rest down and was leaning on it, with his hands shaking. For all I know he might still be there.
When Iowa went shall issue they changed the law. Now when you first get the permit you do not have to qualify. However, when you re-qualify you do. Seems kinda stupid to me. When I re-qualified I decided to make it fun. Took my 5" Heavy Duty. Range officer had never seen one. Fired a cylinder full into a tight cluster and quit.
And yes, I do carry it. Was doing so earlier today.
Just because I can.
Jim

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

7yds

Old fat half blind man with an LCP that pretty much has no sights.
I guess that's close to 2x3in that Rastoff is talking about. Do I win a prize?

I rarely slow precision shoot at paper with carry guns other than when the gun is new for POA/POI reference.

 

[RobzGuns]

Looks pretty good to me Phil...
When ya gonna do the 3Yd, 5Yd and 10Yd parts?
(Ducking for cover...)

 

[old&slow]

I has been too cold and nasty here to get out and play. But, I found this B34 REV target that I shot at a local indoor shoot in 2008. S&W m60 , 10 shots, 10 yds., standing, two hands, double action.
The 10 ring measures 2"x 3".
I know the one shot got a bit wide. But I'm old and can't see as good as I use to. Does that count ?

If it ever warms up here. I'll get out and play the game.

 

[Rastoff]

I just got home from work and this was the first thread I looked at. I'm very excited to see that at least a few are trying it.

The 1st target was shot 'cold' (no Warm Up).

For the record, I shot my target "cold" too. This is how it is normally done at the class. I'm not opposed to allowing a warm-up, but I haven't ever done that and no one has asked to. So, to be as accurate a representation of what happens in my class as I could, my target was the first 20 shots I took that day.

I'm impressed with the targets I've seen so far. This is good shooting, all of you. Yes, all of those hits will stop the bad guy.

Phil, I've shot an LCP before. I'm pretty sure I couldn't keep in on the paper at 7 yards. He's right, that gun has a ridiculous trigger and little bumps on the slide that are Ruger's excuse for sights. To get a group like that with that gun is very good shooting indeed. I'd like to see what you could do with a different gun and actually shooting the whole course of fire.

Protected One,
I'm not surprised at the number of participants. The weather over in the East is really horrible so, that's a factor. Also, most aren't used to this style of shooting. This is the self-defense forum after all. And, we all have lives beyond this forum. It will take a little while for some of us to filter our way to the range.


While there has been some good shooting posted, no one has beat me yet!

 

[Doug M.]

A police officer that doesn't have access to a range? That's just wrong on so many levels.

Thanks for posting the qualification test. I'd just like to see guys do the one in the OP first. Then we can move on to other tests.

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Retired. I would not be doing a LEOSA qual if I weren't; I'd still be doing the duty qual. This is the BUG/Covert course I think they call it.

From the ready, yeah, that's imperfect and your concerns are reasonable, but i think the underlying assumption is that especially for a BUG course, that at distance one would have drawn. I am not sure that's a valid assumption.

Yes, I do it cold.

 

[Protected One]

I'm impressed with the targets I've seen so far. This is good shooting, all of you. Yes, all of those hits will stop the bad guy.

Protected One,
I'm not surprised at the number of participants. The weather over in the East is really horrible so, that's a factor. Also, most aren't used to this style of shooting. This is the self-defense forum after all. And, we all have lives beyond this forum. It will take a little while for some of us to filter our way to the range.


While there has been some good shooting posted, no one has beat me yet!

I'm sure you're right about the weather (although an attack could occur in cold weather too).

It doesn't take much prodding to get me out to the range - regardless to weather. And a "challenge" is MORE than sufficient!

Coming soon: The target that beats Rastoffs

 

[Ranger17]

i need to get to the range soon to try this out as it looks like fun (great idea Rastoff). Not worried about weather as i shoot indoors this time of year and the range is close by; just finding the time to sneak over is a hurdle lol.
I'm pretty confident considering my skill level up to the 7yd area (last weekend at that distance I ran a mag full from my 9c and all rounds ended up in a 1.5"x2" spot) but 10 yds and beyond the old eyes seem to play tricks on me and all bets are off.
Well, i'll gladly post my results once done, good or bad i always like to hear input here which help this newbie get better.

 

[David R]

Thank you for the challenge. I followed the protocol for shots and distance. I just put a laser sight on it today. I adjusted the laser to the sights on the gun and took it outside in the bright daylight. No problems seeing the dot until 10 yards, I thought the battery was dying. Then I could not find the dot at all, so I started at my feet and went up to the target with the dot. Sights on the gun were showing WAY over there. I didn't fire the last round. Maybe I can do it with 20 shots and Iron sights.

Target should say 19 shots.

Colt Lightweight Officers ACP 3.5" 200 gr 845 fps.

David

 

[Otreb]

Cool. This looks like fun.

 

[D.A.P.]

The weather got less cold enough for me to go out and try this a little. I'm a bit embarrassed to show my sorry targets. Using my model 10 I shot DA with a two handed hold at a little over 7 yards. As you can tell, my accuracy is just about the width of the paper. And this was my first time out since a couple of months. The right target was done at somewhere at about 5 yards. I only had two rounds left so I decided to try something different. I walked(trudged. Little over ankle deep snow) away from the target then I turned, drew and fired them by just pointing and not using the sights. Both barely made it onto the paper, but did manage to get two hits. Ill definitely give longer distances a try sometime.

 

[Rastoff]

I didn't fire the last round.

I'm sorry you didn't take that last shot. The group you posted is dangerously close to what I put up in the OP. I didn't actually measure my group with a ruler. I honestly didn't think anyone would post a group that was inside the orange. Based on knowing the size of the center and making a quick measurement off that, I can tell that my group is right at 2". Drop that top most hole and yours is better. Excellent shooting my friend.

What's better, and more impressive, is your honesty. With that group you could have said that you fired all 20 shots and no one would have questioned you. You sir, can shoot with me any time.