Rastoff's Challenge- Dropping the Gauntlet

[Fishinfool]

Rastoff- I spent a couple years full time teaching various federal LEO agencies. About 85% were new recruits, and 15% advanced instruction.

What surprised me was that a large number of the "advanced" students could not do what you have posted.

I understand the need for speed, cover, and "combat accuracy", but it all begins with basics - proper grip, sight alignment, and trigger control.

Good shooting with that old fashioned 1911, by the way...

Larry

 

[Rastoff]

Not beneath me and no disrespect meant, just offering a different perspective.

I didn't see it as disrespectful. I'm just trying to push you to try the challenge.

Nearly all of my firearm training now is 0-21 feet, threat focused and unsighted.

Yes, I hear this all the time. Out to three yards, maybe 5, I can see using a flash sight picture, even shooting from the hip. Beyond that I don't understand not using the sights. You have the time, why not give yourself the best opportunity to hit? The sights are how that's done.

Have you ever heard of a guy by the name of Jack Weaver? If not, it's worth it to read his story. He was really the first guy to be a staunch proponent of using the sights on a pistol. He won many national titles by using the sights. Sure, it was a tiny bit slower, but far more accurate.

 

[RV4driver]

Walther PPQ. Should have shot a few rounds first to find POI for my typical hold. I have replaced the front sight on the Walther and it doesn't shoot to a typical POI, but it works for my usual distances, not so much for these distances. The first oval is 2x3, the next is 4x6. (Actually a bit less, but not much.)

Dan Wesson CBOB. Home-made "repair center".

 

[Rastoff]

I love it! Nice shooting there RV4driver.

 

[Rastoff]

OK, ok, are you gonna play or not?

 

[Protected One]

...and today with my BHP

This group was shot, per the challenge, with my Browning High Power.

Next range trip I'll shoot it with my EDC (Shield 9mm)...prepare to be beaten!

 

[Protected One]

Not great, but I don't think it's too bad, either. There's always room for improvement.

In a defensive situation...those 5 would get the job done!

 

[ContinentalOp]

In a defensive situation...those 5 would get the job done!

Thanks.

 

[Rastoff]

This group was shot, per the challenge, with my Browning High Power.

Not bad brother. I loves me some Hi-Power. The last progeny of JMB himself. It's a wonderful gun. I wonder how it would have turned out had he lived a little longer. Sometimes my wife will let me shoot hers.

 

[Muss Muggins]

I'll post mine next weekend. I did the 3 and 5 yard shots yesterday, and I'm going to do the 7 yard Saturday afternoon and the 10 yard Sunday morning. Thought I'd get yelled at for posting a picture of the target halfway through . . .

 

[Rastoff]

Oooh, you're cheating. The idea is to do them all at the same time. Meh, I don't care. It's hard enough just to get people to do it at all.

Go ahead, post the pic of the target you've got so far. I won't yell at you.

 

[Muss Muggins]

Oooh, you're cheating. The idea is to do them all at the same time. Meh, I don't care. It's hard enough just to get people to do it at all.

Go ahead, post the pic of the target you've got so far. I won't yell at you.

All shots are fired with the shooters choice of grip and stance and start from the ready position (gun loaded, but not in holster). They are all untimed so, there is no need to hurry.

So what rule are you changing next?

 

[Protected One]

All shots are fired with the shooters choice of grip and stance and start from the ready position (gun loaded, but not in holster). They are all untimed so, there is no need to hurry.

So what rule are you changing next?

Even though I'm sure Muss Muggins KNOWS what you meant by "they are all untimed", technically he's got you!

 

[Rastoff]

Hey, just like I said with the rifle, if that's what it takes to beat me....

At least he's shooting. How many are out there that won't even try?

 

[Shorty 45 MK2]

Sweet! I'll try to do it tomorrow after work.

 

[Doug M.]

I don't have easy access to a range due to my work schedule, but I'll post the description of my last LEOSA qual with my G17 (shortened to G19 butt size and better sights):

At 3 yards, draw and file 4 shots, 2 body, 2 head, 7 seconds.
At 5 yards, draw and fire 3 shots, strong hand only, 5 seconds.
At 5 yards, 3 rounds, support hand only, 7 seconds including switching hands.
At 7 yards, from the ready, 5 rounds, 9 seconds.
At 10 yards, from the ready, 5 rounds, 12 seconds.
At 15 yards, from the ready, 5 rounds, 12 seconds.

25 rounds total, 250 points, 247/250. I think those time limits are unduly generous and try to push myself to as much faster as I can.

Did not do as well with 45ACP revolver, still got 213 with at least 1 dropped shot (0). I don't shoot revolvers much and should do more training with them. A couple years ago I had the same score with .41 loaded with Gold Dot JHP which made me more than a few enemies on the indoor range.

 

[Muss Muggins]

I will never understand a concealed carry qualifying score being attained while firing "from the ready . . . "

 

[Rastoff]

I don't have easy access to a range due to my work schedule,...

A police officer that doesn't have access to a range? That's just wrong on so many levels.

Thanks for posting the qualification test. I'd just like to see guys do the one in the OP first. Then we can move on to other tests.

 

[Protected One]

Surprised

Man! I sure expected alot more people on this forum to participate. Guess we have more "talkers", than "shooters", huh?

 

[soFlaNative]

Man! I sure expected alot more people on this forum to participate. Guess we have more "talkers", than "shooters", huh?

Give some of us some time.
I'd like to become proficient. This challenge seems a way to begin.