Ole Joe Clark
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Ok, my 686 has a very smooth double action, lots better than the 40 cal.
Rastoff's Challenge- Dropping the Gauntlet
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I finally got out to do this, used my Bulgy Makarov and 95gr ball ammo from American Eagle, it avg'd 1019fps 5 shot avg over the chrono today.
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Yes, the outlier was the last shot, and yes I DA'ed first shot at each distance.
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Yes, the outlier was the last shot, and yes I DA'ed first shot at each distance.
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Ole Joe Clark
Absent Comrade
Been under the weather, no chance to pick up the gauntlet. Hopefully soon.
David R
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All shots were from 7 yards the minimum. About shot 14 the dot would not stop dancing even in the 10 ring. Once I threw one out, I stopped and tried 2 more targets.
I fired the last 20 of the box at a bullseye 7,7,7 and 10 yards for about 4".
Once I got to 10 yards I would have been better off using the sights instead of trying to make the laser hold still.
I now feel much closer to my LW officers ACP.
Thanks for the challenge
David
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Rastoff
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This has been fun, but I think it's run its course. With the exception of one little bump, the entire thread has been fun.
I will put up more in the future. I intend to develop more shooting scenarios for my class. I will vet them through you guys.
I will put up more in the future. I intend to develop more shooting scenarios for my class. I will vet them through you guys.
You did great, I enjoyed following it... like you said.. one bump in the road and you ran over it..
I'm with you.
StrawHat
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I have not been to the range yet, when I do, I'll post pictures or forget to post. One or the other.
Kevin
Kevin
Since my last tries were such a mess, and I was in a sort of mood that if said would get me a ding, I went to the range yesterday.
Took out the Sig C3 and ran the routine again. I've swapped out the 9mm for a new one, so no comparison there. But here is my "by the rules" result with 230g FMJ.
Took out the Sig C3 and ran the routine again. I've swapped out the 9mm for a new one, so no comparison there. But here is my "by the rules" result with 230g FMJ.
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Rastoff
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I measured your group hoc9sw, but I'm not sure it's exactly correct. Here's what I got:
The way the software works is through using actual bullet diameter. This way it can calculate the center-to-center distance between the two furthest holes (represented by the black straight line between two of the drawn holes). The .45ACP is actually .451" or .452" in diameter. The actual measurement of bullet diameter isn't critical as long as you're able to put the virtual hole centered around the actual hole.
In order for the software to do this, it must be calibrated for each picture. This is done using a known reference in the picture itself. hoc9sw has given us the relevant reference.
As you can see, the largest distance is not always obvious. I would have thought the top most hole and the bottom most hole would have made the group. In this group though, those aren't the largest distance.
The challenge in this particular target is how the holes were made. I'll bet he used hardball ammo and didn't have a backer behind the target. This makes for lots of tearing. It's difficult to place the holes correctly on such a target. I did my best to get them centered over the holes, but may not have got it right.
Also, the type of paper makes a big difference. Notice the clean holes in DavidR's target just a couple posts above. He's using a different type of paper and what looks like wad cutter bullets. Those rounds are great for both target competition and self-defense. Very accurate and transfer energy almost as well as hollow points.
Anyone that wants to try this software for themselves can get it here: On Target Precision Calculator There is a free version, which is what I've been using, and a much better one for about $12 (I'm just really cheap). It really is good software and will give you the actual results rather than guessing. It's also very easy to use. If I can do it, you can do it.
The way the software works is through using actual bullet diameter. This way it can calculate the center-to-center distance between the two furthest holes (represented by the black straight line between two of the drawn holes). The .45ACP is actually .451" or .452" in diameter. The actual measurement of bullet diameter isn't critical as long as you're able to put the virtual hole centered around the actual hole.
In order for the software to do this, it must be calibrated for each picture. This is done using a known reference in the picture itself. hoc9sw has given us the relevant reference.
As you can see, the largest distance is not always obvious. I would have thought the top most hole and the bottom most hole would have made the group. In this group though, those aren't the largest distance.
The challenge in this particular target is how the holes were made. I'll bet he used hardball ammo and didn't have a backer behind the target. This makes for lots of tearing. It's difficult to place the holes correctly on such a target. I did my best to get them centered over the holes, but may not have got it right.
Also, the type of paper makes a big difference. Notice the clean holes in DavidR's target just a couple posts above. He's using a different type of paper and what looks like wad cutter bullets. Those rounds are great for both target competition and self-defense. Very accurate and transfer energy almost as well as hollow points.
Anyone that wants to try this software for themselves can get it here: On Target Precision Calculator There is a free version, which is what I've been using, and a much better one for about $12 (I'm just really cheap). It really is good software and will give you the actual results rather than guessing. It's also very easy to use. If I can do it, you can do it.
You are correct. Cheap paper, top pin only, no backing, 230gr FMJ (Herters from Cabela's). The range has a bit of draft, as needed to clear smoke, so the target will tend to float away from the shooter, leaving a slight angle.
But the big factor for the day was that I was so wound up that I didn't notice the arthritis pain as much as usual.
But the big factor for the day was that I was so wound up that I didn't notice the arthritis pain as much as usual.
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Rastoff
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Was this a good thing? Pain is a terrible thing. I don't know what it's like to have arthritis, but I can imagine it's terrible.
The group is good.
There are days that I have trouble holding a coffee cup. And days I go to the range with several calibers, but wind up shooting only the .22.
I start with a mag or two through the .22 compact. If it really bothers me, I stay with that. If it is just annoyance, I'll go to a .45. When I get to the point I can't rack it without issue, I pack up and go home.
There have been days I considered not shooting at all, but then there would be the wasted gas ...
The earlier I go, the better chance I'll enjoy it, but work gets in the way.
Not sure how I managed that group. Haven't done that well in months. But then for years that would have been unthinkably bad.
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Rastoff
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Don't sell yourself short. Those are never "unthinkably" bad. You put 20 rounds not just close to each other, but very close to the center of the target. In defensive shooting, that's a saved love one or another day above ground for yourself. Well done!
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Rastoff
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I'm looking forward to the pic Scott.
Here ya go......
OK, OK that's what I wish it looked like.
I shot 4 at 3yds, 6 at 5 yds, 6 at 7 yds and the remainder of the 2 magazine(14 rnds) at 10.
All the flyers on the right were at 5 and 7 yds
This is the real thing:
OK, OK that's what I wish it looked like.
I shot 4 at 3yds, 6 at 5 yds, 6 at 7 yds and the remainder of the 2 magazine(14 rnds) at 10.
All the flyers on the right were at 5 and 7 yds
This is the real thing:
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Ole Joe Clark
Absent Comrade
Looks like I have to withdraw my statement to "pick up the gauntlet". Health issues became front and center shortly there after I accepted the challenge. Maybe after this issue is resolved, with the Lord's help, I'll pickup where I left off.
Joe
Joe
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Rastoff
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Joe,
You have your head screwed on straight. Take care of yourself first. We'll be here when you are able.
You have your head screwed on straight. Take care of yourself first. We'll be here when you are able.
I shot the challenge today with an M&P Shield 40cal. This is only the third time I have shot this gun and really haven't spent much time at the range for the last year or so, so I am fairly pleased with the results. Each square is 1"X1"
Then I shot it with my son's Sig sp2022, this was the first time I ever shot this gun and I didn't do too terribly, but at least I beat him...
Then I shot it with my son's Sig sp2022, this was the first time I ever shot this gun and I didn't do too terribly, but at least I beat him...
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Rastoff
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Not bad shutter13. Hey, at least you beat the kid. One day we won't be able to. 
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