Wait a min. For 4 yrs the last administration told me it was one big happy world. Hell , half of Congress and half the Senate are still telling me that. What gives ??????
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Wait a min. For 4 yrs the last administration told me it was one big happy world. Hell , half of Congress and half the Senate are still telling me that. What gives ??????
I like it, wish that was the case here...for public funded pensions. Some people spend their entire career bankrupting states and cities with their bloated pensions, then flee to states with lower or no tax and far less generous pensions after retirement, leaving hard working people behind that work for the dreaded private sector to pick up the tab.
I plan on just driving there.
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I did my Real ID YEARS ago when it was first offered. Easy peasy no problem. I did it just because...I didn't really need it because I have a passport.
Today I had to go to the Municipal building for a boat related permit. The DMV happens to be in the same building.
I had trouble getting in the door. The parking lot was filled to capacity....many of the cars outside had people waiting, and of course they were Facebooking as usual.
The building doors were almost inaccessible because people were standing in the way. They were all speaking spanish and complaining in a loud voice.
The lobby was filled with hundreds of people in line to the DMV, with the door closed and an Officer was letting people in one at a time.
The sign on the door said ONLY Real Licenses today....if you bought a new car and had to register to drive it home it sucks to be you.
Once inside I made my way to the Parks & Recreation Dept. and was the only one there. Conducted mu bizness in minutes.
It all reminded me how stoopid people really are.
Today I had to go to the Municipal building for a boat related permit. The DMV happens to be in the same building.
I had trouble getting in the door. The parking lot was filled to capacity....many of the cars outside had people waiting, and of course they were Facebooking as usual.
The building doors were almost inaccessible because people were standing in the way. They were all speaking spanish and complaining in a loud voice.
The lobby was filled with hundreds of people in line to the DMV, with the door closed and an Officer was letting people in one at a time.
The sign on the door said ONLY Real Licenses today....if you bought a new car and had to register to drive it home it sucks to be you.
Once inside I made my way to the Parks & Recreation Dept. and was the only one there. Conducted mu bizness in minutes.
It all reminded me how stoopid people really are.
When I went to DMV to get Real ID, the instructions online were to bring many forms of proof.I waited my turn, plopped a stack of papers on the examiners desk, he laughed and told me just my passport and NCDL were enough. Took me under 5 minutes.
I went to get mine in Kernersville and they asked me do I fly a lot...I said no more flying for me I had enough of air travel....
They said well you don't really need the Real ID then....so I left.
I've had a RealID driver license for over 15 years. Took 10 minutes to renew it. Don't get all the indignation.
But then I wouldn't be opposed to the creation of "No ID Airline"
The one that really cracks me up is this weird insistence that a birth certificate is evidence of anything. Mine is just a plain form that someone ran through typewriter. No standardization, probably varies by county. Maybe even by hospital. Yeah, the clerk at the DMV is going to be able to evaluate the legitimacy of a decades old out of state birth certificate.
"You need to supply proof of birth."
"Well, I'm standing right here."
But then I wouldn't be opposed to the creation of "No ID Airline"
The one that really cracks me up is this weird insistence that a birth certificate is evidence of anything. Mine is just a plain form that someone ran through typewriter. No standardization, probably varies by county. Maybe even by hospital. Yeah, the clerk at the DMV is going to be able to evaluate the legitimacy of a decades old out of state birth certificate.
"You need to supply proof of birth."
"Well, I'm standing right here."
Hope you aren't suggesting what it sounds like.
For illegal aliens. They already have enough of your biometrics if you have a photo ID (driver's license, passport, CCL). If you've been in the military, police, teaching, child care, and a host of other jobs, they have your fingerprints as well.
If you use a smartphone, the software manufacturer likely has both.
yeah, in past careers I've had the investigators all over me...
My concern though is singling out certain demographics (not necessarily illegal aliens) for 'extra special' procedures. Eventually everyone is subjected to them. The default will be to assume that everyone is a member of that demographic until proven otherwise.
I've had a Real ID for a few years now, lady at the DMV asked me if I wanted one last time I renewed my license, told her I guess.
My mom was planning on flying back home to Cincinnati end of May. Found out about all the Real ID stuff, and got her a flight back on May 4th. She has a regular drivers license she'll have to update when she gets home.
I just looked it up, and there are mass other forms of ID you can use to fly. None of which my mom has.
Acceptable Identification at the TSA Checkpoint | Transportation Security Administration
State-issued Enhanced Driver's License
U.S. passport
U.S. passport card
DHS trusted traveler cards (Global Entry, NEXUS, SENTRI, FAST)
U.S. Department of Defense ID, including IDs issued to dependents
Permanent resident card
Border crossing card
An acceptable photo ID issued by a federally recognized Tribal Nation/Indian Tribe, including Enhanced Tribal Cards (ETCs).
HSPD-12 PIV card
Foreign government-issued passport
Canadian provincial driver's license or Indian and Northern Affairs Canada card
Transportation worker identification credential
U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services Employment Authorization Card (I-766)
U.S. Merchant Mariner Credential
Veteran Health Identification Card (VHIC)
In coordination with its DHS counterparts, TSA has identified acceptable alternate identification for use in special circumstances at the checkpoint.
My mom was planning on flying back home to Cincinnati end of May. Found out about all the Real ID stuff, and got her a flight back on May 4th. She has a regular drivers license she'll have to update when she gets home.
I just looked it up, and there are mass other forms of ID you can use to fly. None of which my mom has.
Acceptable Identification at the TSA Checkpoint | Transportation Security Administration
State-issued Enhanced Driver's License
U.S. passport
U.S. passport card
DHS trusted traveler cards (Global Entry, NEXUS, SENTRI, FAST)
U.S. Department of Defense ID, including IDs issued to dependents
Permanent resident card
Border crossing card
An acceptable photo ID issued by a federally recognized Tribal Nation/Indian Tribe, including Enhanced Tribal Cards (ETCs).
HSPD-12 PIV card
Foreign government-issued passport
Canadian provincial driver's license or Indian and Northern Affairs Canada card
Transportation worker identification credential
U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services Employment Authorization Card (I-766)
U.S. Merchant Mariner Credential
Veteran Health Identification Card (VHIC)
In coordination with its DHS counterparts, TSA has identified acceptable alternate identification for use in special circumstances at the checkpoint.
I'm pretty sure that the entire universe has my finger prints. I needed if for a MA LTC and then for RI carry permit. I also did some part time work for a federal agency, and they needed prints. In Texas I needed prints for my LTC, then for my paramedic license. They were done separately.
PA, NH, ME did not require finger prints for my carry permits there. NH doesn't even require a photo.
PA, NH, ME did not require finger prints for my carry permits there. NH doesn't even require a photo.
Real ID has been available in Florida since 2010. Driver licenses are good for 8 years so most would have needed to renew twice.
You don't need to be a US citizen to get on a plane. Plenty of folks from foreign countries fly into, out of, and within, the USA using their nations' passports. (Foreign drivers' licenses are not sufficient for ID purposes.)
The purpose of the Real ID program is not to make you prove you're a citizen; it's to make sure your state-issued identification is authentic by requiring the incorporation of certain security features into the ID.
Ματθιας;142210908 said:
Every country has some protocol in place to allow non-citizens to live and work there legally. The USA is no different. From your favorite British rock bands to the seasonal workers who pick crabs on Maryland's Eastern Shore, people come to this country to work...and the government rightly wants them to have legal status.
In the USA, if you are not a citizen, but you earn money here legally, you will have a Social Security/ Taxpayer Identification number, which ensures that taxes are properly withheld from your salary and documents that you paid them.
And yes, if you are going to live here for a period of time (as opposed to visiting), you will get a driver's license, so you can drive legally and be insured. Would you want it any other way?
The reason for requiring multiple forms of documentation is to help establish that you are you who claim to be. If, as you suggest, your passport should suffice as the only basis for issuing a Real ID, someone could use a counterfeit, altered, or forged passport to defeat the system.
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What did that jurisdiction sign for on the contract with those workers? Takes two to tango. Also, comparing interactions between sovereign nations with those between the states of this republic seems a little bit of a stretch to me.
I doubt you'll find much support for having municipalities where people used to live and work dipping into their retirement after they have moved. Some .mil people I worked with years back told me California tried that gag with military pensions. Once you hand over money to anyone, it's theirs to do with as they wish where I come from.
LVSteve
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Been there, done that, except my first SS card explicitly said "Not valid for work" because I was paid out of the UK. I was effectively TDY. Thing is, try doing ANYTHING in the US without a SS number, so that's why I had one. Mind you, that involved convincing Cruella DeVille at the SS office that "D/S" meant I was good to be in the US for as long as I wanted or until my visa ran out. She was not best pleased on being told my type of visa allowed just that, and this was pre-9/11.
As for driving licenses, Nevada REQUIRES that if you reside and work in the state for more than 30 days, you need to get one of theirs as you have met the requirement to be called a "Nevada resident". Then you have the odd situation of being considered a legal resident of a state, but not a legal resident of the US. Yes, seriously. "Legal resident" of the US is somebody on a Green Card, not a visa like I was. Had fun with that one a couple of times.
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I NOT talking about legal immigrants, I'm talking about people here illegally. ILLEGALLY. ILLEGALLY.
I mean, D/S is duration of status… not “as long as you want.” Even ones with a duration, like a TN, it is void if you are no longer employed by the company on the employment letter/I-797.
Once that happens, suppose to pack up and leave. I’ve refused multiple students who tried to get around that, since it seemed so easy to just do odd jobs and party with their housemates after getting kicked out of school.
Only visa that really is “as long as you want,” is an immigrant visa.
Sorry for the sidetrack… but seeing that was like walking into a room with a picture not straight.
NEXUS card is $120 for 5 years. Passport card is $65 for 10 years.
And neither gives you the ability to drive. For some people, it’s worth it. And if they need to do similar work to confirm US citizenship, it’s probably a bargain for most. If you get it the same day, beats the turnaround on the others I mentioned (4-6 weeks for NEXUS and usually that for anything not expedited with State Department).
