recommendation for a neat classic 357 mag sixgun for home defense and target shooting

[agent00]

I used to have a smith and wesson model 686 a few years ago until I had to sell it.

I am now interested in getting another 357 magum six shooter.

The main field of use is going to target shooting and home defense (no carrying because that is not allowed here in Austria).

This time I want to get a classic smith and wesson 357 mag revolver.

Something like the smith and wesson model 19 from the classic line?

What do you think about that guns? Would you recommend one of the classic line or not?

I would be grateful for some other recommendations as well. So please feel free to recommend whatever you like.

Thanks for the help in advance.

 

[murphydog]

With your stated desires/needs, it would be difficult to improve upon a 4" model 686. It is overbuilt for the .357 round, whereas even the modern model 19 is not, and you like the model enough to have owned one before . Good luck in your decision.

 

[stansdds]

For home defense and target shooting, a 4-inch barrel will certainly fit the criteria, but the longer sight radius of a 6-inch barrel will make for more precise target shooting.
The best size frame and cylinder for the 357 Magnum is the L-frame. The K-frame is slightly smaller and lighter, making it better for a carry revolver. The N-frame is bigger than the 357 Magnum requires. If you plan on shooting a lot of 357 Magnum loads, then definitely look for another L-frame. If you plan on shooting mostly 38 Special and little 357 Magnum loads, then a K-frame is a great choice. I do think the modern production Model 19-9 and 66-8 are durable when shooting a lot of 357 Magnum loads, but it's lighter weight can make such shooting less pleasant.

 

[Hair Trigger]

I used to have a smith and wesson model 686 a few years ago until I had to sell it.

I am now interested in getting another 357 magum six shooter.

The main field of use is going to target shooting and home defense (no carrying because that is not allowed here in Austria).

This time I want to get a classic smith and wesson 357 mag revolver.

Something like the smith and wesson model 19 from the classic line?

What do you think about that guns? Would you recommend one of the classic line or not?

I would be grateful for some other recommendations as well. So please feel free to recommend whatever you like.

Thanks for the help in advance.

If you want a true classic, look for a M19-4 or older. That would be 1982 or earlier manufacture, has the desired pinned barrel and recessed charge holes in the cylinder. I would assume you'd be shooting downloaded magnums or .38 Spl loads for target shooting, the older K frames are plenty strong enough, just stay above 140 grain bullet weight.

OR....look for a N frame revolver. Slightly larger (and heavier), but would take full magnums for as long as you'd want to shoot them. A M27 or M28 from the dash-2 or earlier (again, 1982 or older). These are all classics in the best sense of the word.

I'm not a fan of the "Classic Series" guns. Two piece barrel, lots of MIM parts. They may shoot okay, but the "classic" moniker is a marketing joke, IMO. There are no L frames prior to 1982.

 

[SAFireman]

A Highway Patrolman would fit the bill nicely. It soaks up recoil at the range and is durable enough that you will likely never wear it out.

 

[Hawg Rider]

Guten Morgen, agent00. You've received some good advice on .357 Magnum revolvers for your purposes. As stated, a longer barrel (5", 6", 6-1/2", ?) would be a little better for target shooting, and a shorter barrel (3", 4") might be better for home defense. 686s are great revolvers, but so are any of the K-frames (Model 19s and 66s) or N-frames (Pre-models and Models 27, 28, 627, etc.). If you're limited to only one revolver, a 4" would be a great compromise for both purposes. From what I've seen on the Forum, Europe seems to have quite a few nice vintage revolvers for sale at reasonable prices. I hope Austria is the same! Viel Gluck!

 

[cmansguns]

Cost vs "classic"

I don't know what is actually available in your country, or what price levels you feel comfortable with. Also what does "classic" really mean? Blue steel and walnut equal classic to me, but current "classic" wheel guns seem to have laminated stocks and Internal Lock.

The old time classics around here, if found at all, are in the $1,000 and up range. The more modern are not a heck of a lot less.

One that I have seen lately that seems to have a reasonable price attached (saw 1 at $650, another at $700) is the Model 66.

Mine is a Model 66-6, 4" Heavy Barrel, w/o rear, rr front, laser engraved instead of roll stamps, came with Uncle Mikes grips, very comfortable shooter, especially with 38 Special. Yes...has the IL. The Model 66 ended production in 2005. Mine shipped in June 2002 per Roy Jinks. I have the original case with the fired case dated 5/28/02.

I think these Model 66 are the most reasonable cost for a stainless 4" 357 Magnum revolver still available here in the central coastal Virginia area.

Good truck or bedside gun and even though a bit heavy for personal carry, I wouldn't have the grief if it were lost, stolen, or confiscated like I would with a true classic Model 19, Model 27, Model 28, etc.

Just my opinion

 

[smithra_66]

I used to have a smith and wesson model 686 a few years ago until I had to sell it.

I am now interested in getting another 357 magum six shooter.

The main field of use is going to target shooting and home defense (no carrying because that is not allowed here in Austria).

This time I want to get a classic smith and wesson 357 mag revolver.

Something like the smith and wesson model 19 from the classic line?

What do you think about that guns? Would you recommend one of the classic line or not?

I would be grateful for some other recommendations as well. So please feel free to recommend whatever you like.

Thanks for the help in advance.

How about a real model 19, instead of the modern classic remake?

It would fit the bill perfectly.

 

[kamloops67]

I've owned a number of k,l and n frame 357 revolvers over the years my favourite was the 686
Highway patrolman was very accurate, but just too big to sling a glorified 38spl
The model 19 was beautiful but I never really shot it that well , which is odd because I shoot a mod 17 and 14 well
I've had a couple different 6" 686 that shot very well , but my current 4 1/4" 686 is my "go to" for small bore these days
I'll often choose it over my mod 14 for shooting 38 Spl , but it can still throw a fireball if I want it to
I kind of think of it as the little brother to my 4 1/4" 629

 

[Onty]

I used to have a smith and wesson model 686 a few years ago until I had to sell it.

I am now interested in getting another 357 magum six shooter.

The main field of use is going to target shooting and home defense (no carrying because that is not allowed here in Austria).

This time I want to get a classic smith and wesson 357 mag revolver.

Something like the smith and wesson model 19 from the classic line?

What do you think about that guns? Would you recommend one of the classic line or not?

I would be grateful for some other recommendations as well. So please feel free to recommend whatever you like.

Thanks for the help in advance.

Greetings from Zagreb, after 36 years in Mississauga, ON, Canada.

I would also take a long, hard look at M27, especially later model with longer cylinder indexing bolt notch on front side of the ramp, see attached picture. Those later models have some critical parts made from stronger, harder steels, on CNC machines, and as result, they are more durable and usually more accurate than earlier models, identified with shorter bolt notches.

It's true that earlier S&W revolvers, especially M27, are famous for their very nice finish and fitting. But from shooters point of view, IMO later models have the edge.

Considering that M27 is N-frame, same as for 41 Magnum, 44 Magnum and 45 Colt, it's VERY strong for 357 Magnum, and with any sane load within SAAMI or C.I.P. spec, will last indefinitely.

Also, having lighter barrel than M686, M27 is less muzzle heavy, but that is something you should evaluate by handling those revolvers and decide which one you prefer.

As others pointed, M28 is also a viable choice, since it is basically "no frills" M27; shorter hammer spur, no serration on top strap, and bit less polished. However, those revolvers are old, their production seized decades ago.

BTW, if you are looking for bullet molds, see Molds Archives - MP-molds , check on left side which style you prefer, and tabulation with diameters will open. They are in Slovenia, within couple hours from your place. Their molds are second to none, machined on CNC machines; perfectly round holes and very uniform and consistent from cavity to cavity.

 

[growr]

I guess so much of your choice is limited to what is available in Austria....
The L frame like you had would be a great choice if available.
Randy

 

[agent00]

Thanks a lot for the replies. Have to admit I have considered getting some originals. I was only focused the classic line Revolvers from s&w.

Looking for some vintage models sounds like a great idea though.

Have done some research and smith and wesson model 19-4 would be available in good condition at a good price.

A highway patrolman would also be available with .6 inch barrel. Both guns look really interesting it will be hard to chose.

Because both models have some pros and cons.

The more sturdy highway patrollman would be a better choice for steady diet of full power 357 mag loads.

But for just shooting once in while some full power 357 mag loads the k frame model 19 would be more than enough.

I plan to use some full power 357 mag loads just for the range.

But I am also going to practise with 38 special loads for home defense.

I plan the use the classic 38 special 158 grain semi lead weadcutter rounds as my main home defense load.

@onty Thanks a lot for the recommendation for the bullet molds.

 

[CajunBass]

Unless you're wedded to a Smith and Wesson, I'd take a hard look at the current production Colt Python, if they're available where you are. I've got two of them and they are very nice.

Unlike most here I suppose, I think the "classic" Model 19-9 is a good choice also. I had one, liked it, and wish I had never let it get away from me. The old Model 19's were prettier, no doubt about that, but the "classic" model will take anything you throw at it, and still has a factory warranty.

 

[rwsmith]

Don't forget......

Don't forget the 586 if you want a blued pistol.

 

[chief38]

Well, you have a few choices. The vintage M19 and stainless M66 are certainly nice however if you plan on shooting it with a fair amount of Magnums, I'd say get another vintage M586 or M686 which was actually meant to be heavy duty and take the pounding. They are L Frames but do have the K Frame grip - best of best of both worlds. You could also look at the M27 or M28 but those are N Frames and a little bigger and heavier that they need to be for a 38/357. While the N Frame certainly has its advantages for 44 Magnum, 45 Colt, 41 Magnum etc. it is just too large and heavy for a 357, IMHO.

All that said, these days Colt has truly stepped up to the plate and is making the Python & King Cobra again. They are REALLY NICE, well made, well finished Revolvers that are currently a step or three above S&W current spec's and QC. If I were in the marked for a factory new 38/357 I would get a Colt because as of now they are just superior and better revolvers than the S&W newly manufactures revolvers. Sad, but IMHO true.

 

[Buick]

Get the 6" M28 Highway Patrolman! You will surely be happy with it for the rest of your life. It is a truly wonderful gun.

 

[Onty]

..I plan the use the classic 38 special 158 grain semi lead weadcutter rounds as my main home defense load.

@onty Thanks a lot for the recommendation for the bullet molds.

You are welcome!

As for self defense using "...38 special 158 grain semi lead weadcutter...", I am not familiar with laws and justice practice in Austria, but, I would strongly advise do not use any handloads or even target factory ammunition.

To be on safer side, I would purchase a box of jacketed 38 Special ammo designated for self defense, manufactured by reputable company (RWS, Geco, Norma, Lapua, etc.). The bitter truth is that in the many countries anybody defending himself or his loved ones, using even legally owned firearms, in eyes of some officials is a "happy trigger villain" that should be prosecuted as much as possible. I know for one case in one western country, when some drunk or drugged tugs came in front of the house, preparing to throw Molotov "cocktails". When owner saw what is going on, he took shotgun, fired couple shots in the air and tugs fled. Well, he was the first one to be charged. The charge was "reckless using of firearm, endangering public safety" and it took him several years and enough money to purchase very nice car, to get out of trouble.

 

[Onty]

"Massad Ayoob and Bill Wilson discuss hand loading ammunition for self-defense.

Are there reasons to avoid using hand loaded ammunition instead of factory loaded ammo for self-defense? Bill Wilson and the Youtube Community want to know. Massad Ayoob, with his vast experience in self-defense trials as an expert witness, gives his reasons why he suggests only using factory ammunition for self-defense. Massad cites real cases, such as New Hampshire v. James Kennedy and New Jersey v. Daniel Bias."

See video there Massad Ayoob and Bill Wilson discuss hand loading ammunition for self-defense. | 1911 Firearm Addicts .

 

[cowboy4evr]

I would not be afraid of a new " classic " model 19's shooting 158 gr 357 magnum loads ever wearing out . I have yet to wear out the 2 older ones I have and they only get magnum loads . L-frames are nice but not my favorite and yes I have 2 , 681-686 . Both former Law Enforcement side arms . The price was right so I bought .
It's your money , get what you want . If you don't you will always wonder if you made a mistake , listening to others and not getting what you really wanted . K-frame , L-frame , N-frame ---- you can't go wrong with any of them . It's just a matter of your personal favorite . Good luck , Regards Paul

 

[ISCS Yoda]

When I was pondering what gun to get during a S&W discount-for- military opportunity a few years back I asked John Taffin what I should do and he recommended a M 27 Classic and that's what I did:

Original stocks with Tyler-T:

Present stocks - elk by bgmtnmn:

Currently available from Smith & Wesson:

https://www.smith-wesson.com/product/n-frame-150339

If you can get one of those it will be great at the range and great for home defense.

 

[ISCS Yoda]

Some additional thoughts - besides the fact that I wouldn't gainsay a single one of the earlier recommendations - all of those guns fit the bill for you.

I plan to use some full power 357 mag loads just for the range.

But I am also going to practise with 38 special loads for home defense.

I plan the use the classic 38 special 158 grain semi lead weadcutter rounds as my main home defense load.

Good plan. .357 Magnum is too much for home defense, unless you want to share your bullets with your neighbors due to misses or over-penetration. .38 Special will do the job nicely and in all of the guns discussed there will be minimal recoil with .38s so you can get that second round or more out without any recoil flinching/noise flinching/etc. Wadcutters are excellent, actually.

I didn't see where you asked about hand loading for your self defense rounds; perhaps I missed that. I don't recommend it. Factory ammunition is far more reliable than hand loads, I don't care how good your manufacturing skills are. YMMV

 

[agent00]

Thanks a lot for the further recommendations.

@chief38 Thanks for mentioning the Colt Revolvers. Did not know that the Python and the King Cobra were back.

These are nice guns worth checking out.

The Python is a really neat Revolver. I wanted to get it since I saw it in the first Resident Evil game back then 1996.


@onty Thanks a lot for posting the links.

@all Sorry for being unclear about the 38 special ammo I plan to use for sd.

I was not refering to handloads when I was talking about the 158 grain semi lead wadcutter rounds.

I meant factory loads with 158 grain lead semi wadcutter hp bullet.

But I could use jhp rounds as well if I could find them at a good price.

 

[garddogg56]

66-1there done

 

[kamloops67]

Nice 66 . Really ,there are no wrong answers when choosing a S&W 357

 

[hkcavalier]

I would go with a 686 6".

But, if cost and availability were not a concern, an early 627 (six shot) would be a great choice, specifically for the range. Unfortunately not many were made and production of this variation ceased about 25 years ago. Here in the U.S. we see European market 627s from time to time since big target revolvers remained popular there.

 

[BAM-BAM]

Keep in mind that the K and L frames have the same grip frame and trigger reach. The N-frame is bigger in both areas.

Range/Target which, with any luck, will represent 99.99999% of your use I'd go for the longer sight radius.

L for a lot of magnum shooting

K for mostly .38 w/ some magnums.