Reloading during a self defense situation

[petepeterson]

A handgun is used to fight to get your rifle.

I'm betting that there are even fewer instances of this occurring than a weapon being reloaded during a self-defense situation.

 

[DevilDog72]

no

Do you have millions of dollars saved up? Its better to have it and not need it than not have it and need it.

no I don't, I take it our little boy is having a bad day, Cheer up Bunky,,,
I thought.......oh forget it. I do have quite a few more sayings.... how bout this one " if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all".

 

[Tony twist]

I'm betting that there are even fewer instances of this occurring than a weapon being reloaded during a self-defense situation.

Point being handguns are not very effective man stoppers if you still haven't neutralized a threat after emptying your side arm completely you better get to a rifle

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Point being handguns are not very effective man stoppers if you still haven't neutralized a threat after emptying your side arm completely you better get to a rifle

What a perfect intro into open carry. Can't grab yer rifle if ya ain't got one with ya.

I reckon these two young ladies made it to wherever they were going safe and sound.

 

[Rastoff]

Those who carry extra judge others who dont.

No, I think you're reading into it. I don't believe those who carry extra are "judging" those who don't, at least I'm not.

If you don't want to carry extra, fine. We all choose our level of risk. Would you judge someone harshly for not carrying a gun at all? I wouldn't. It's a personal choice.

As for the cliches, they are simple statements of fact. You cannot deny the truth of them. Just because they're true doesn't make them condescending. For anything, most of the time, it's better to have it an not need it than need it and not have it. You might not like it, but it's true.

 

[ClayCow]

No, I think you're reading into it. I don't believe those who carry extra are "judging" those who don't, at least I'm not.

If you don't want to carry extra, fine. We all choose our level of risk. Would you judge someone harshly for not carrying a gun at all? I wouldn't. It's a personal choice.

As for the cliches, they are simple statements of fact. You cannot deny the truth of them. Just because they're true doesn't make them condescending. For anything, most of the time, it's better to have it an not need it than need it and not have it. You might not like it, but it's true.

Absolutely. Im still clamoring for that million

 

[ClayCow]

Point being handguns are not very effective man stoppers if you still haven't neutralized a threat after emptying your side arm completely you better get to a rifle

Id like to see people coming at you after a shot to the heart or the head with a .380. There shouldnt ever be a need to have to resort to a rifle after emptying your handgun unless youre police or military. If you do, you may need to take a marksmanship class

 

[Speedo2]

Recently saw a video where a guy wearing appropriate body armor was shot with a 308 (an FN, if I saw it correctly) from about 15 feet way. It didn't even knock him over. Probably hurt a lot, but it didn't even knock him down.

The same video stated that a 9mm has about 16% of the energy of a 308 and the mighty 45ACP has about 18%. The energy from a 9mm was stated at around 700 Joules; claimed to be about the same as getting hit with a hard fast ball. Point was that a bullet from a handgun doesn't usually have one shot stopping power (unless a head, pelvis, or spine shot).

Moral of the story: in a life/death situation, keep shooting until the threat is eliminated or no longer willing/able to keep doing whatever he was doing to cause you life-threatening injury. Hope that I never have to find.

Also stated in the video, typically in a life/death situations most of us will likely not only loose control of our bowels, but also of our fine motor skills, which makes reloading in a hot situation quite problematic. Situation awareness, willingness to fight back, muscle memory and large capacity mags seem to me to be the most correct solution. -S2

 

[Rastoff]

Id like to see people coming at you after a shot to the heart or the head with a .380.

Yeah, because it's so easy to hit someone in the head.

There shouldnt ever be a need to have to resort to a rifle after emptying your handgun unless youre police or military. If you do, you may need to take a marksmanship class

That's a pretty big rock you're throwing in a very small glass house. Maybe you should take my challenge and then tell us again who needs to get trained...
http://smith-wessonforum.com/concea...746-rastoffs-challenge-dropping-gauntlet.html
http://smith-wessonforum.com/concealed-carry-self-defense/421991-rastoffs-challenge-ii.html

 

[ClayCow]

Yeah, because it's so easy to hit someone in the head.


That's a pretty big rock you're throwing in a very small glass house. Maybe you should take my challenge and then tell us again who needs to get trained...
http://smith-wessonforum.com/concea...746-rastoffs-challenge-dropping-gauntlet.html
http://smith-wessonforum.com/concealed-carry-self-defense/421991-rastoffs-challenge-ii.html

Lets look at previous examplea of regular people who have run out of rounds and needed a rifle.

You knwo rastoff. Im just not going to reply before things get real heated. Im out.

 

[Kanewpadle]

Lets look at previous examplea of regular people who have run out of rounds and needed a rifle.

You knwo rastoff. Im just not going to reply before things get real heated. Im out.

Now why would things get heated?

You made a statement. Now it's time to back it up. Preferably with facts if you can find any.

Don't run away. Things are starting to get good around here.

 

[Rastoff]

Lets look at previous examplea of regular people who have run out of rounds and needed a rifle.

You knwo rastoff. Im just not going to reply before things get real heated. Im out.

You're correct to ask about those who needed a rifle. I doubt we'll find many, if any, examples of that.

There's no need to get heated. You made a comment that I believe is correct. The implication was that if a person is hit in the head or heart they will stop, even if it was the much berated .380Auto. This is absolutely correct. The baddest guy in the world will at least be slowed down enough to allow a defender to get away if they are shot in the face.

Then the comment was made about "needing training" if they still needed a rifle after expending all the ammo in one mag. Well, since this is about a defense situation, don't you think it's valuable to know how well you can shoot? I certainly would want to know that before I carried a gun into a situation. So, I've made a couple of tests for people to try. No one is obligated to try them, but they do offer an opportunity for guys to test themselves. Try it. What do you have to lose?

 

[petepeterson]

Point being handguns are not very effective man stoppers if you still haven't neutralized a threat after emptying your side arm completely you better get to a rifle

I'm sorry if you took that wrong. I was mixing your comment in with the poster complaining about cliches.

I was stating that it would be hard to find true-life examples of someone that used a handgun to get to a long gun in a defensive situation. Whatever a "typical" defensive shoot may be like, it usually is not a drawn-out gunfight with multiple stages. Neither side wants to hang around that long. I could possibly see it happening in a rural area at someone's home, but it's harder to picture someone retrieving their AR from the trunk during a mugging after they emptied their Kel-Tec at the perp.

I completely agree with you that the rifle is the better tool, only an impractical choice.

 

[CH4]

And I challenge you to find an example of a CCW holder in a a critical incident who ran out of bullets before he ran out of bad guys. Like the "blood in the streets" predictions of CCW opponents, it just doesn't happen . . .

I've been thinking the same thing.

 

[Lee's Landing Billy]

My father once told me " son... it is better to have it and not need it ... than ...not have it and need it"

This is one item that if you need it and don't have it, you'll probably never have the problem again!

 

[Lee's Landing Billy]

Try Ken Hackathorn's Handgun Wizard. 3 yards one head shot, one hand. 5yards one head shot, freestyle. 7yards one head shot, freestyle. 10yards 2 shots in the A Zone. All on IPSC or IDPA or B27. All from concealment, all in 2.5 seconds each. We got 3 who passed in 2 trys and 9 more STILL working on it. This is from The Dillon Blue Press this month's issue.

 

[g8rb8]

carry a few spare mags

With magazines like those reloads are likely a mute point and if a reload is necessary the "hit rate" of the shooter is either abysmal or the shooter is in a real bad situation.

If you're carrying that concealed (appendix) I bet you get some comments like:
"Wow, you must be glad to see me."
or
"My, what a big magazine you have."

 

[ClayCow]

You're correct to ask about those who needed a rifle. I doubt we'll find many, if any, examples of that.

There's no need to get heated. You made a comment that I believe is correct. The implication was that if a person is hit in the head or heart they will stop, even if it was the much berated .380Auto. This is absolutely correct. The baddest guy in the world will at least be slowed down enough to allow a defender to get away if they are shot in the face.

Then the comment was made about "needing training" if they still needed a rifle after expending all the ammo in one mag. Well, since this is about a defense situation, don't you think it's valuable to know how well you can shoot? I certainly would want to know that before I carried a gun into a situation. So, I've made a couple of tests for people to try. No one is obligated to try them, but they do offer an opportunity for guys to test themselves. Try it. What do you have to lose?

Heated on my end rastoff. I was getting emotional and had to back off. And still do.

 

[Muss Muggins]

Point being handguns are not very effective man stoppers if you still haven't neutralized a threat after emptying your side arm completely you better get to a rifle

I always consider my little gun as my tool to fight my way to my big gun . . .