Remington R-51
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CatboatWilly
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I always wanted a pistol based on what I consider to be a very good engineering design from J. Pederson - Put me down for one ! Reminds me a little of the old Whitney Wolverine.
Remington Announces New R-51 Pistol - The Firearm Blog
Remington Announces New R-51 Pistol - The Firearm Blog
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I'm still out on making any decisions, it kinda reminds me of a re-engineered PPK with the blowback and lock breech. Some say it has a lighter recoil spring. I can't imagine what it is like with 9mm+p ammo. Even with an aluminum frame I think it will take a beating on recoil, afraid to even think what it will be like when they consider the .40 S&W in it. I agree on the statement on bringing it out in .380.
mstuhr
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You said it
That's kinda what I thought.
The demographic is more like Ray Charles, Stevie Wonder and Helen Keller.
I really like the old 51 much more.
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Mike
That's kinda what I thought.
The demographic is more like Ray Charles, Stevie Wonder and Helen Keller.
I really like the old 51 much more.
Thanks
Mike
I have always appreciated the styling of the PP and PPK. My only hesitation with them was the cartridge's lack of power. It's interesting that in the last few years the .380 has enjoyed a renewing of popularity. Perhaps we'll face bad guys who are easier to stop in today's 'kinder & gentler' society?
Anyhow, I like the looks of the R51. Now; I have spent my time crawling around in the weeds looking for 9mm brass. My interest is in the .40 S&W flavor. My only concern is over the persnickety nature of the .40 cart. It may have changed but at one time there was concern over the fact many pistols had an open area of their firing chamber and the unsupported portion of the .40 casing wall tended to bulge, indicating it could burst there. Perhaps a few did, causing injury to the shooters. Reloading was actually discouraged at one time because the "safe" power range was very restricted, with warnings about the possibility of a KaBoom at both ends of that range. This would not apply to the 9mm.
If the R51 opens the breech a tad bit in the early part of the firing cycle does that mean the whole base of the casing is unsupported while still under high pressure? That'd be my only reservation based on what I have seen up to this point. Since reading about people getting on the Wait List for 9mm models, I will check the local dealer about getting on a list for the .40 and see where we go from there.
Anyhow, I like the looks of the R51. Now; I have spent my time crawling around in the weeds looking for 9mm brass. My interest is in the .40 S&W flavor. My only concern is over the persnickety nature of the .40 cart. It may have changed but at one time there was concern over the fact many pistols had an open area of their firing chamber and the unsupported portion of the .40 casing wall tended to bulge, indicating it could burst there. Perhaps a few did, causing injury to the shooters. Reloading was actually discouraged at one time because the "safe" power range was very restricted, with warnings about the possibility of a KaBoom at both ends of that range. This would not apply to the 9mm.
If the R51 opens the breech a tad bit in the early part of the firing cycle does that mean the whole base of the casing is unsupported while still under high pressure? That'd be my only reservation based on what I have seen up to this point. Since reading about people getting on the Wait List for 9mm models, I will check the local dealer about getting on a list for the .40 and see where we go from there.
There are any number of posts on this forum about advances in 9mm ammunition lethality, including why some agencies are thinking of going back to it. Is there any reason to think that similar advances haven't and won't be made in .380?
My son is a pretty well built guy, but he doesn't like the recoil of 9mm. I'd rather have him carry a .380 that he can hit his target with than a 9mm that he can't.
Sure, good for him. Some folks find the .32 H&R Magnum in a J Frame gives six shots of stopping power they need while still having a grip they can get their hands around. That round's effectiveness surprised me since my only experience with .32s were the ancient S&W Long revolver loads which seem so weak they lead to carelessness.
I personally feel quite uncomfortable with low powered rounds and am surprised you challenged me on that very general comment. My usual carry these days are a 640-1 loaded with .38s, or a Colt Officers Model .45 ACP. In previous years it was an M-29 which my son now has. I am big enough to comfortably handle and carry a larger weapon, so they are my preference. The only reason for carrying a .38 is the environment isn't always conducive to the more powerful weapon.
Because ammunition manufacturers must hold pressure to levels which are safe for older firearms, and because of the straight blowback action most .380s use it seems unlikely the cart's power can be increased very much and still be safe to fire in older guns. The .38 ACP/.38 Super evolution is a good example. The results with that exercise were similar to loading a batch of .38 Spl rounds up to .357 Magnum pressure and firing them through a prewar .38 Spl revolver: Rather messy.
However, as you note, recent years have seen some really amazing improvements in bullet design, greatly improving existing ammunition's effectiveness. There is no argument with anyone carrying and shooting the combination of firearm and ammunition which works the very best for him or her.
So since Remington is resurrecting the Model 51, when do you guys think Colt will reintroduce a new slightly beefed up version of the M-1903/1908 pocket autos and then Smith and Wesson with their .35 pocket autos? I was just thinking to myself the other day why no one has tried updating the Remington and then this post pops up. So any day now we will have our flying cars like in the Jetsons!
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why S&W has not already gone in this direction!Jagrmaister
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I've got to go into my ffl and do another transfer. Been reading about this one and going to tell them I'm interested in beta testing the R51 and to order me one as soon as they're able. At $389 msrp, I'll likely pay sub 350 and if the fiancee doesn't claim it as hers, I'll run it through its paces and see if it unseats any carry horses in the stable.
So, did Paulie know about them? Got any coming in? I sent him an e-mail and toid him to put me down for one too. Can't wait! I need a grandson for my 51.
nocents
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The more I look at it...the better I like it....what did everybody say about Glocks when they first came out....I hope it becomes a huge success and is embraced by the "hardcore " firearm community.....good grief if Remington can make an all metal pocket carry 9mm that is affordable ....and if it's reliable....and make MAGAZINES readily available......maybe ...just maybe....someone is left at S&W to take notice 
Badkarma 1
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If anything this R-51 has created quite a stir among those if us who still carry a metal handgun! And yeah, I wanna try one too!!
As for it bein a "3913 Killer"...that an awful tall order, to which I say "Uh huh, right!"
Big John made mention though of something that's on my bucket list, an updated Colt 1903/1908 in 9mmP...IF, if they built that one you'd see a vapor trail from my house to the local gun shop!!
I wish Remington well with this one. I hope it kills the Shield, AND I hope it makes the current management at S&W rethink the idea that everybody wants a polymer pistola!
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As for it bein a "3913 Killer"...that an awful tall order, to which I say "Uh huh, right!"
Big John made mention though of something that's on my bucket list, an updated Colt 1903/1908 in 9mmP...IF, if they built that one you'd see a vapor trail from my house to the local gun shop!!
I wish Remington well with this one. I hope it kills the Shield, AND I hope it makes the current management at S&W rethink the idea that everybody wants a polymer pistola!
Dale
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Already spoke to my local shop. Going to have money down on one in a little over a week.
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Yes, while Glock rushes head-long into the .380 market. . . .
They did, and I think that was a mistake. Of course I'm not the only who thinks that and it's number 1 on a lot of peoples' wish list.
I'll certainly look at the R51, I think it has a lot of potential.
357-RevolverGuy
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I'm not even an auto pistol guy but this is one that's got my attention. Looks great, it's priced well, and so far the reviews I've seen have all been good. Can't wait to handle one in person.
Deacon KC
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I can't wait to check one out. Fantastic lookin' little beast.
Sig apparently sells enough of their P239 to believe there's a 3913 market.
Like I said in another thread, I hope it is huge mega-profit success for Remington. Because that us what it will take for Smith to start the redesign of the 3900/CS9 series. Everyone has been chasing Glock so long they forgot that non-1911 metal framed guns still exist and so do consumers who want them.
I have already gotten in line for an R51 at my LGS.
I have already gotten in line for an R51 at my LGS.
hektormorigan
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The line is long and is comprised of more than a few younger shooters that dislike the plastic fantastic.
carbuncle
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I said it on The Other Forum but it bears repeating: S&W canned the 3rd Gens because they didn't want to bother making a quality metal-frame gun that isn't a 1911. Too expensive they said, no one wants metal-frame guns anymore, too expensive to produce and sell...Remington, of all companies, looks ready to recalculate that math.
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BadKarma, there is someone here in Ohio that sets up at the gun shows that had one M-1903 that he had updated. He had some kind of Novak style sights on it and a manual safety lever that had a thumbpiece like on the 1911. It looked really nice. For the price he was asking I think I can settle for the factory parts on mine.
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Kadonny
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BigCityChief
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There, I fixed your post
I like the format of the gun, but damn it's ugly.
LOL!!!
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Kadonny
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I wonder about the trigger too. SA trigger with only a grip safety?
Still, with that price and the features I bet it's a home run. 20 oz unloaded weight with and all metal gun is fantastic.
Still, with that price and the features I bet it's a home run. 20 oz unloaded weight with and all metal gun is fantastic.
