Replacement for M&P line?

[Rastoff]

I wish S&W would incorporate the more aggressive grip feature from the new Shield .45 into all of the M&P line.

Have you held the new Shield 45 yet? If not, how do you know you'll like it? Even if you do, not having it is no reason to discontinue the entire line.

 

[Shield9mm]

I too am amazed at the comments regarding the M&P's trigger or not being a accurate pistol.... Perhaps some of you guys need to practice more at the range?
Why so many rounds you say? It's easy, I practice with what i carry...

very true !!! I took my new 45c to the range and was very impressed with it, shots were at 10 foot.

 

[Practical]

10 foot accuracy?

If you want to test accuracy of a handgun try it at multiple ranges.

10 foot accuracy is irrelevant.

I try to shoot out to 50 or 75 feet with all my handguns excepts 38 snub nose revolvers. UNLESS I go single action.

 

[Shield9mm]

I practice for combat/self defense situations, if I hit whatever I am aiming for, that's enough for me.

 

[agksimon]

I practice for combat/self defense situations, if I hit whatever I am aiming for, that's enough for me.

If you're aiming for a person and hit them, in a non-vital, will that stop them before they shoot back? I prefer to incapacitate them, before they do me and that means a shot where it counts, center of mass or head.

 

[Shield9mm]

If you're aiming for a person and hit them, in a non-vital, will that stop them before they shoot back? I prefer to incapacitate them, before they do me and that means a shot where it counts, center of mass or head.

Keep shooting until it is not longer a threat.

 

[DD357]

If you're aiming for a person and hit them, in a non-vital, will that stop them before they shoot back? I prefer to incapacitate them, before they do me and that means a shot where it counts, center of mass or head.

Short of a CNS hit it is impossible to predict how someone will react to being shot by any caliber. Stay focused and keep shooting until you are no longer in danger.

 

[Arik]

The number of people that complain about the M&P trigger and accuracy continues to amaze me.

First off, it's a striker fired combat weapon. It's not a match tuned 1911. The trigger will never be as good. You choose to drop additional money on parts to improve the trigger. I shot a DA revolver for over 40 years and have no complaints with the trigger as issued.

As far as accuracy is concerned, again, it's a combat gun. If I want tiny groups, I'll shoot my tuned 1911.

I have no dog in this fight. Don't own any M&Ps. However, when compared to other similar guns in the same price range M&P triggers do suck. VP/PPQ/320.....(and you could probably throw in the Canik TP9 and Walther P99 as well)......are not match tuned 1911s either but they are clearly better. It is a question of holding 2 different guns and going "I think this one feels better." You pock up any of the above and you can clearly feel that they are crisper, cleaner triggers and all are striker fired and none are match grade

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[Arik]

There seem to be 2 topics going on.

I practice at the distances that are available at the range I go. I think it maxes out at 50ft. Not every threat will be at 10ft and it's not like there is extra work and prep time involved in shooting at further distances. At my indoor range it's about 2 seconds longer on the little control lever

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[amazingflapjack]

alternative...

Something with a better trigger and barrel would be great. I like the looks and feel of the M&P 9. I just wish they upgraded those two things. It sucks after you buy a new gun, you have to drop money on trigger parts and are risking a defective barrel. With all of the striker guns on the market now, you would think S&W would up their game.

You might look at the world class CZline of pistols. They have a sub compact-a compact and many others. The quality is there at a very reasonable price. JMHO.

 

[jacmac422]

I have now owned 2 m&p the latter being a 5" pro witch I put an Apex kit in. Best trigger in a polymer gun I have tried. I had 10" groups from 15 yards. My XDM with stock trigger, SP01 and P220ST all have 1-2" groups at the same distance. I am not knocking the M&P's but there IS A PROBLEM WITH THEIR 9MM BARRELS. If they can fix that I would gladly buy 2 more. Other than that they are incredible and don't need an update in my opinion

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[moxie]

The box-stock M&P9c I have will shoot nice groups at 10', 21', 45', or whatever, and will hit the 8" gong at 100 yds., much of the time, with reloads made from mixed range brass and mixed brand primers. Seat and crimp in same step, for the reloaders.

It's a good gun.

 

[ultratec00]

Trigger pull is subjective. I've never owned a striker fired handgun that didn't need some level of work. For M&Ps, Apex is the simple answer and relatively inexpensive.

Currently own a P320 in 9mm, not impressed. Quality firearm, but trigger pull isn't all that great even after break in and polishing. Still doesn't match an M&P with Apex kit, to include total price. Okay in the accuracy dept, but it's just "big" for a 9mm. This would be the first one on my "chopping block".

Picked up an FNS-9 because the LGS had them for sale dirt cheap. Trigger job cost about the same as an Apex kit install and it flat out shoots. I'd have to say the FNS-9 would be the only one I'd possibly chose over an M&P 9, but it wouldn't take the place of my M&P 45s..

Wouldn't own a Ruger semi auto other than a 22/45.

 

[Rastoff]

I don't understand what's wrong with trying to make things better.

Absolutely nothing wrong with that. In fact, S&W believes in continuous improvement.

Yes, the Walther does have the best trigger of any striker fired gun I've tried. The others are not that much better, if at all, than the M&P (I haven't tried a VP9). Even so, none of that is grounds to drop the best selling line of guns in the country.

 

[Raiderse]

The number of people that complain about the M&P trigger and accuracy continues to amaze me.

First off, it's a striker fired combat weapon. It's not a match tuned 1911. The trigger will never be as good. You choose to drop additional money on parts to improve the trigger. I shot a DA revolver for over 40 years and have no complaints with the trigger as issued.

As far as accuracy is concerned, again, it's a combat gun. If I want tiny groups, I'll shoot my tuned 1911.

This is where I have to Differ. My M&P was Touted and claimed by S&W to be a Competition Pistol. I purchased and M&P9L Pro. It was Manufactured March of 2016 (as per S&W). It was a mess. After two trips to S&W it is ok now. We all DO NOT purchase the $450 M&P. Some of us purchase the $565 M&P and still have a lot of defects. Mine was barrel Slide and Sights. S&W told me the old Barrel got into it somehow. Somehow? C'mon guys, lets be honest , Granted it isn't the most expensive Pistol on the market but $ for $ it is inferior in fact vastly inferior IMHO to a Walther PPQ. Only other Striker fired Polymer I own so I can't honestly comment on others.

 

[Raiderse]

Take a couple M&P 9's and a couple Walther PPQ's and try the trigger and you will see a big difference. Next, get some 147 grain FMJ flat point American Eagle ammo and do a 25 yard bench rest group test. Both guns are about the same price. I did just this and was amazed at how much better the trigger is and smaller the group sizes are with the PPQ. The grip is also a much better fit.

I AGREE! I own both and could not agree more!

 

[Raiderse]

I have now owned 2 m&p the latter being a 5" pro witch I put an Apex kit in. Best trigger in a polymer gun I have tried. I had 10" groups from 15 yards. My XDM with stock trigger, SP01 and P220ST all have 1-2" groups at the same distance. I am not knocking the M&P's but there IS A PROBLEM WITH THEIR 9MM BARRELS. If they can fix that I would gladly buy 2 more. Other than that they are incredible and don't need an update in my opinion

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ME Too! ME Too! and anyone else is just turning their backs on the problem.

 

[Raiderse]

Trigger pull is subjective. I've never owned a striker fired handgun that didn't need some level of work. For M&Ps, Apex is the simple answer and relatively inexpensive.

Currently own a P320 in 9mm, not impressed. Quality firearm, but trigger pull isn't all that great even after break in and polishing. Still doesn't match an M&P with Apex kit, to include total price. Okay in the accuracy dept, but it's just "big" for a 9mm. This would be the first one on my "chopping block".

Picked up an FNS-9 because the LGS had them for sale dirt cheap. Trigger job cost about the same as an Apex kit install and it flat out shoots. I'd have to say the FNS-9 would be the only one I'd possibly chose over an M&P 9, but it wouldn't take the place of my M&P 45s..

Wouldn't own a Ruger semi auto other than a 22/45.

MY WALTHER PPQ 5" Hasn't.

 

[Gearhead36]

I bought a FS M&P9 at Christmas. The trigger was garbage. I compared it in the store to an XD mod 2 and a Glock 17. Both the XD and Glock had better triggers, with the XD being better than the Glock. The XD was almost as good in ergonomics. The Glock felt like a 2x4. Out of the box, I couldn't hit the side of a barn with my M&P unless shooting from a bench. After about 1000 rounds (and probably 2x to 3x as many dry fires), the trigger has improved a lot, and I've learned better trigger control. I'm fairly accurate with it now. The trigger is better now than a new Glock, and about equal to a new XD. I don't have access to broken in Glocks and XDs, so I don't know if they would have experienced similar improvements.

I bought it for IDPA. At the last match, in my squad of 8, there were 5 striker guns, all of them M&Ps (I need to start putting my initials on my mags). Zero Glocks, XDs, or VP9's. At a safety station, I DID see a Glock, so the other squad had at least 1. Back in Feb, at my first IDPA match, I had the only M&P among a sea of Glocks and 1911's. It looks like the M&Ps are making inroads on Glock's stronghold on IDPA. S&W is probably working on something new, but right now, they'd be stupid to replace the M&P line. Even if they had a new design ready to roll out, from a profit standpoint, they would not do so until sales on M&Ps started declining.

 

[Skydivinglawyer]

Recently I had a very interesting 24 hour period. Late one evening after a hot day, shooting with a friend, I stopped at a convenience store to buy a cold drink. A Highway Patrolman was doing the same thing. I asked him if his agency had switched from Glock in .357 Sig to Glock in 9mm. He was polite, but I could tell he didn't like the answer he gave. Yes, his department did. I switched from Glock .40s to S & W M & P .40s quite some time ago. By chance, the next day someone had a Glock gen 4 in 9 mm for sale at a great price. I bought it. I also had a S & W M & P 9mm that I hadn't done much with. Headed to the range and just let the pistols compete. There is no comparison. The M & P ran circles around the Glock. The 1911 is 17.5 grip angle and will never be improved. M & P smartly came in at 18 degrees. Glock, trying to be different, produced at 21 degrees and is a nature 'high' shooter. Glock (manufactured by non-American scale machine tolerances) is a dependable bullet chunker.
M & P is by far the better firearm. For that I salute S & W although I'm not great on the 9mm. However, I will never forgive S & W for the Lock Hole.