Responsibility regarding concealed carry

There'll be no hesitation on my part to blow his *** away. I am educated enough on this topic to know to use as few shots as necessary to bring him down, so I'll try to keep it to three, but he is a dead man.

And lest we forget, if we are involved in a shooting, the words we type on a forum like this can be mined for evidence against us regarding our intent and mindset. It won't be fair, and will not be presented in context.

Our words matter. Speak with the future in mind. On-line forums are not as private as we might wish.
 
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I would have intervened in that Colorado theater if I had been able. That may have been a long shot supported by a theater chair but I'd have a good chance at hitting the gunman even at 60 feet.

That would have been an easy decision, gunman shooting people as fast as he could, nobody fighting back.

In a store robbery? Not if it doesn't look like the guy is threatening to shoot someone. If he has his finger in his coat pointed at the teller, I'd let him be. If he is waving a gun around, I'd let him be. If he's threatening to kill someone, pointing at people's heads, and has his finger on the trigger, I pray I can get a steady shot to the head to end the threat.

That's just me. Everyone needs to make their own decision at the time.

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I would have intervened in that Colorado theater if I had been able. That may have been a long shot supported by a theater chair but I'd have a good chance at hitting the gunman even at 60 feet.

That's not just a long shot it's a long shot with a room full of people going bat **** crazy between you and the shooter
 
We had an incident here a few years ago. A man was beating a woman in a public place. A Good Samaritian tried to intervene. The man AND the woman both beat the would be rescuer within a inch of his life.
Unless you know EXACTLY what's going on, best to stay out of it.
 
We had an incident here a few years ago. A man was beating a woman in a public place. A Good Samaritian tried to intervene. The man AND the woman both beat the would be rescuer within a inch of his life.
Unless you know EXACTLY what's going on, best to stay out of it.

Apparently he didn't hit the guy hard enough if they BOTH turned on him : p
 
Apparently he didn't hit the guy hard enough if they BOTH turned on him : p

I was on the beach one night long ago (no weapon.. 'cept for a full wine bottle...) and there's this 50's greaser looking guy in the parking lot beating up on his pudgy girlfriend.. I barked at him from about 20 ft (bottle by the neck ..) and he backed up , telling her to get in the car. I said "you get in the car and you're on your own.." She got in the car...
 
I was on the beach one night long ago (no weapon.. 'cept for a full wine bottle...) and there's this 50's greaser looking guy in the parking lot beating up on his pudgy girlfriend.. I barked at him from about 20 ft (bottle by the neck ..) and he backed up , telling her to get in the car. I said "you get in the car and you're on your own.." She got in the car...

One sad reason many women do that is that they are terrified of worse consequences if they don't. And an even sadder one is that the likelihood that they grew up seeing that happen to their mothers and think it's essentially normal. Or that they deserve it.

And yes, many will turn on you if you interfere.

Did you call 911?
 
I was on the beach one night long ago (no weapon.. 'cept for a full wine bottle...) and there's this 50's greaser looking guy in the parking lot beating up on his pudgy girlfriend.. I barked at him from about 20 ft (bottle by the neck ..) and he backed up , telling her to get in the car. I said "you get in the car and you're on your own.." She got in the car...

I did something this foolish long ago myself. Never again unless I'm armed.

I yelled at a couple fighting and they both turned on me followed by a car load of their friends that showed up less than a minute latter.

Before I knew it I was now getting yelled at and threatened by five people instead of two. I quickly left.

The unknown. The unforeseen. The wildcard will get you hurt or worse.
 
35 years ago I was coming out of a club with my new brother-in-law ,and there was a guy who had his girl pinned against the wall of the club...and beating the snot out of her! I looked at my brother-in-law (who seemed unphased by the whole thing) and the turned to head in their direction. My brother-in-law grabbed me by the back of my shirt and said - "If you get mess with her boyfriend she'll jump on you to defend him".

I turned, and followed him to the car.
 
On the spouse beating scenarios I'd give an anonymous call to 911 and leave it at that
 
Carrying makes me both safer and More Careful, in the first place.

In many ways, I think that my decision to carry makes me safer independent of having the firearm. In my opinion, the fact that any "unpleasant" encounter I have while carrying has -- at least in principle -- the possibility of escalating to a use of lethal force, makes me even MORE careful about avoiding that situation in the first place.

I guess I'd put it this way: I don't see my carry permit as giving me license to go into a more dangerous part of town than I would visit if I weren't armed, or to drop down to the "murder mart" for a pack of gum when I'd normally never consider going there... rather, because I know that by carrying I am introducing raising the possibility of being involved in a shooting from a probability of zero to even a very infinitessimally small probability, I make better choices about where I go. However confident I am in my ability to effectively employ a firearm for my self-protection, I still think the best gunfight is the one you never had in the first place.

Another quick illustration of this: without carrying, I might be tempted to return a rude word or gesture to another motorist while behind the wheel; while carrying, though, I make sure I'm even more careful to avoid escalating unpleasant sitations, because the consequences are potentially much greater if they get out of hand.

The flip side of this, of course, is that if I DO find myself in a dangerous situation, carrying is empowering in the sense that I know that it allows me to apply this "bend like a reed" (to use a kung-fu movie cliche) mindset secure in the knowledge that the sidearm gives me another option for defending myself if it comes down to it.
 
Just realized that I went away from the topic in the OP -- sorry for straying, but I hope it might be interesting food for thought, anyway.
 
How do you guys deal with the responsibility regarding concealed carry? Not so much the responsibility to protect yourself or your family but the responsibility to protect an innocent person or persons. I think it is the responsibility that comes along with concealed carry and the potential consequences that may come if I am forced to use my firearm that is my greatest reservation.

When in doubt hit the ground. But then why the gun?
When in doubt jump in! Then call your lawyer!
 
Just realized that I went away from the topic in the OP -- sorry for straying, but I hope it might be interesting food for thought, anyway.

I think your longer post was very applicable to the subject at hand, and stated my views better than I've managed to do.

I like the way you think.
 
One thing I learned when I was wearing a uniform is that "social interactions" can often be far different than they appear. My rule of thumb was that, if I could persuade the apparent attacker to attack me, then use of force would be justified. I stepped into a couple of altercations where the protagonists quickly retreated claiming they were "just playing." Fortunately, no one got hurt and we all had a good laugh (lots of head shaking, but a good laugh).

A friend of mine went to a domestic one night. The wife was a bloody, bruised, beaten mess. The perp had knocked his partner out cold. My friend finally got control of the guy, had him on the floor, only to have the wife do the cast iron frying pan thing across the back of his head. You just never know what the dynamics might be.

Be very careful minding other people's business. A 9-1-1 call, as has been suggested, is often the best step you can take in an event where you do not know what is going on.
 
No , 45 x 6's commentary was relevent to the topic.

Unless you are LE , Corrections , or providing security services on a contractual basis , you don't have a Responsability to protect anyone not your imeadate family.

As mentioned before , short of an active shooter in progress, there is too much unknown as to what is actually occuring. Could be an undercover/ plainclothes/ off duty LE , could be a Bail Bondsman , could be a Victim momentarily gaining the upper hand on their asailent, could be a kinky couple roleplaying rough sex. And when you intervieene , you place yourself at risk of being percieved as the bad actor by responding LE , or other good samaratins. Well planned bad guys will have confederates planted among the bystanders to deal with resistance.

Never say never , but default plan should be to monitor pending the situation crossing the threashold into active felonous deadly force.
 

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