Retired cop denied right to CCW

[Mr Pokeyman]

In Pa, anyone 21 yrs and over with a clean record can get a License to Carry for $20 and its good for 5 yrs. There are no classes or qualification or anything. Just get a gun and carry it. Not too shabby. As a retired cop, I can do that too. If I want the "Privilege" of carrying under LEOSA, I have a bunch of hoops to jump thru. For starters, I have to have 10 or more years as a LEO. That means I had to have graduated from a police academy and learned the laws covering the use of a firearm. I had to attend update classes every year to keep my certification. I had to qualify several times a year with my firearm. After I retired, guess what I have to do. Go to class every 12 mths, get a refresher class on the law and then shoot the police qualification course with each type of firearm that I want to carry. And I get to pay $75 to do so.
I agree that there should be nationwide reciprocity of licenses as long as there is some training involved.
Have a nice day.

 

[Kentucky Dave]

...SCOTUS to add handgun licenses to the "full faith and credit" clause.

Hope springs eternal!!

 

[Kentucky Dave]

...SCOTUS to add handgun licenses to the "full faith and credit" clause.

Hope springs eternal!!



IF the Court trend begun in ernest with Heller continues and 2nd Amendment "Keep & Bear" along with the implied reasoning to "bear" for self defense is firmly established as a Constitutional right, AND if some of the upcoming freedom to marry cases further firmly establish "Full Faith & Credit" parameters, the two lines of cases could really bode well for states having to recognize other states' CCW permits - Period.

Again, hope springs eternal!

 

[Steve_in_PA]

In Pa, anyone 21 yrs and over with a clean record can get a License to Carry for $20 and its good for 5 yrs. There are no classes or qualification or anything. Just get a gun and carry it. Not too shabby. As a retired cop, I can do that too. If I want the "Privilege" of carrying under LEOSA, I have a bunch of hoops to jump thru. For starters, I have to have 10 or more years as a LEO. That means I had to have graduated from a police academy and learned the laws covering the use of a firearm. I had to attend update classes every year to keep my certification. I had to qualify several times a year with my firearm. After I retired, guess what I have to do. Go to class every 12 mths, get a refresher class on the law and then shoot the police qualification course with each type of firearm that I want to carry. And I get to pay $75 to do so.
I agree that there should be nationwide reciprocity of licenses as long as there is some training involved.
Have a nice day.

I'm sure there are quite a few people out there who would gladly pay more than $75 in order to carry in places like NJ, NY, DC, etc.

 

[ralphhern55]

thats messed up

 

[Rastoff]

Since this got brought back up, I thought I'd add a few comments.

It's actually in the CA Penal Code that if an officer is retired because of a mental disorder, stress for example, they cannot have a CCW. That is exactly what happened in this woman's case.

I believe retired officers have more freedom to carry in places the average CCW holder cannot, and thus why they are required to qualify and renew more often. I could be wrong, and each State has different laws on this. It won't be the first time nor the last time for me. LOL

I can't find anything in the CA law to support this. All I can find is that a retired cop can get a CCW easier. Other than that, they are subject to all the same laws and restrictions as a regular citizen.

 

[ShelbyV8]

Those who believe that everyone should be treated like retired police officers. First you have to be finger printed, have a FBI background check, be polygraph checked, attend a police academy to learn all laws to include use of deadly force and show proficiency with a fire arm. Then if you can pass the state exam you can become a police officer. You work 20 or more years, stay versed on all new and changed laws, and you must do one or more qualification per year to show proficiency in the use of a firearm. When you retire you can get CHL with no other requirements, is this what you want to do to get a CHL?

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[sgtsandman]

Since this got brought back up, I thought I'd add a few comments.



It's actually in the CA Penal Code that if an officer is retired because of a mental disorder, stress for example, they cannot have a CCW. That is exactly what happened in this woman's case.



I can't find anything in the CA law to support this. All I can find is that a retired cop can get a CCW easier. Other than that, they are subject to all the same laws and restrictions as a regular citizen.

I can only go off of what I've been told and heard since I do not work in Law Enforcement and every state is different.

The same goes for the mental state that caused the retirement. If it is a PTSD situation, it may or may not be detrimental to self and others. I do know that the VA is using PTSD as a means of disarming veterans by declaring the mentally adjudicated. As to whether it is warranted or not is not for me to decide. All I can go off of is news articles in that case. What is being reported though, is that the system seems to be over used.

In any case, I'm trying very hard not to paint with a broad brush here, regardless of what I may personally think of CA law and the VA.

 

[gm272gs]

This kind of reminds me of the movie Blade Runner, in which <Captain> Bryant said: "Stop right where you are! You know the score, pal. You're not cop, you're little people!".


Sounds like she wants to be "cop". When I was in College, the campus police were only sort-of-like cops. I guess times have changed.

I have no problem with her being put in the same boat as everyone else in California, but from what I have read of the story, it looks like she'll win this and U.C. Berkely will lose.

 

[ShelbyV8]

I know the local PD policy is that if you can no longer perform your dutys , you are terminated even if the injury was job related. Then you go on disability thru insurance and social security. There is no medical retirement. This department is under civil service.

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[Straightshooter2]

Did anyone notice in the article her employer is/was UC Berkley and they also revoked licenses of other LEOs retired on similar circumstances? I mean come on people. Berkley has been so far left wing for so many years their student newspaper should be called Pravda and their Board of Regents should be called the Politburo! I'm surprised they even allow LEOs to carry guns on campus at all and haven't tried to revoke ALL retired licenses!

BTW, where did any article say she was on disability for mental reasons? All the articles I've read simply say she suffered an on-duty injury.

As for anything else, everyone go back and read your posts from an objective rather than your personal point of view. To some I say, really people?

CW

 

[oneflycowboy]

The problem I have with Mrs. Jacobs is that she only now see's the problems with a system she promoted and enforced on a daily basis. Only now when her special rights have been curtailed does she feel there is a problem with the system.

Now Mrs. Jacobs is getting a taste of what it's like to be an ordinary citizen trying to obtain a CC permit in order to protect themselves.

I bet she voted for the very people responsible for her situation.

She just needs to learn how to play by the rules like the rest of us.

 

[Old cop]

Berkley, one of the last bastions of way out liberal thought. Once you consider that the rest makes sense!

 

[Waywatcher]

Those who believe that everyone should be treated like retired police officers. First you have to be finger printed, have a FBI background check, be polygraph checked, attend a police academy to learn all laws to include use of deadly force and show proficiency with a fire arm. Then if you can pass the state exam you can become a police officer. You work 20 or more years, stay versed on all new and changed laws, and you must do one or more qualification per year to show proficiency in the use of a firearm. When you retire you can get CHL with no other requirements, is this what you want to do to get a CHL?

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No, and they shouldn't have to either.

Treating retired police as a different sort of people than us mere "civilians" is where I take issue.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

I really don't see retired cops as a "privileged" class. What I do see, is that under the law (prior to Peruta) retired cops have an automatic "good cause" to carry. So, they just have a better reason to satisfy the law because of all the potential threats from people they've arrested.

The above line of reasoning is precisely the problem. It supports and perpetuates the miguided notion that the 2A is a needs based privilege and not a Constutional right for all.

 

[ShelbyV8]

That is like saying if I want to fly an airplane I should be able to. Law Enforcement doesn't pass legislation they only enforce the laws that your elected officials pass. Sometimes they don't like the laws any more than you do.

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[Rastoff]

I agree with you Phil, but that is different than what the OP is about. I don't like the "needs" based laws here anymore than anyone else, but they are the law for now.