photoman
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My guess would be that includes the short barrel "not shotgun" shotguns that have been so popular the last few years.
Revolvers are passe - Claude Werner
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My guess would be that includes the short barrel "not shotgun" shotguns that have been so popular the last few years.
bmcgilvray
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Summary line found within the article.
"Aficionados might be experiencing a 'revolver resurgence,' but the general public just isn't interested."
Is this suppose to validate the trend somehow?
"Revolvers are passé ... At least to the general public… "
The general public's views on entertainment, politics, behavior, and morals amounts to abject nitwit-ism more often than not in today's America. What "the crowd" deems appropriate should not enter into any life decision requiring a choice.
The gist of this article is: Follow the feckless crowd for you don't want to appear to be out-of-style.
"Aficionados might be experiencing a 'revolver resurgence,' but the general public just isn't interested."
Is this suppose to validate the trend somehow?
"Revolvers are passé ... At least to the general public… "
The general public's views on entertainment, politics, behavior, and morals amounts to abject nitwit-ism more often than not in today's America. What "the crowd" deems appropriate should not enter into any life decision requiring a choice.
The gist of this article is: Follow the feckless crowd for you don't want to appear to be out-of-style.
hkcavalier
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Most people just interested in self-defense will choose a $200 .380 over a $400 J frame or LCR. They will also choose a $500 15 shot Glock 19 over a $750 7 shot 686.
We laugh at it now, but the main reason the .32ACP was more popular than the .380ACP 100 years ago was the additional round in the magazine of most popular pistols of the time.
The trend is obvious and pragmatic. The biggest segment of gun buyers by head count, the non-enthusiasts, will choose guns that intersect in that zone of least expensive/highest capacity/smallest size.
My oldest daughter loves revolvers, but it has more to do with ergonomics than anything. She's too small to pull back a slide on anything but a .22, and the recoil of a centerfire auto is hard on small hands. If you have kids, raise them to appreciate good things, not just inexpensive or popular things.
We laugh at it now, but the main reason the .32ACP was more popular than the .380ACP 100 years ago was the additional round in the magazine of most popular pistols of the time.
The trend is obvious and pragmatic. The biggest segment of gun buyers by head count, the non-enthusiasts, will choose guns that intersect in that zone of least expensive/highest capacity/smallest size.
My oldest daughter loves revolvers, but it has more to do with ergonomics than anything. She's too small to pull back a slide on anything but a .22, and the recoil of a centerfire auto is hard on small hands. If you have kids, raise them to appreciate good things, not just inexpensive or popular things.
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The last two commentaries tell the story extremely well.
The last two commentaries tell the story extremely well.
ABPOS
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Yeah, nearly every girl in my family has issues with pulling slides back. And the .380 M&P with the super easy action for people that struggle has not had a stellar reputation for reliability so far.
I'm not sure why Chuck has an aversion to this issue. He is entitled to his opinion and I get the idea of carrying the weapon that seems the best choice for a gun fight. But for some of us it's just not going to be what is best for the general populace or what is the most popular.
I have several reasons that I find compelling as to why I choose revolvers. But that's not to say I think autos are a bad choice. I think in general they are the better choice. But one thing, I got tired of getting bonked in the head by brass. Late Gen III things changed and they just aren't the same gun any longer. At least that is my opinion and observation. (speaking of Glocks) And even if they still did run as good as they used to, I might still choose a revolver for other reasons.
I will say they were easier to rack slides than a lot of autos. The only gun I saw my wife do with some regularness was a G26. She could do my M9 but only sometimes.
I'm not sure why Chuck has an aversion to this issue. He is entitled to his opinion and I get the idea of carrying the weapon that seems the best choice for a gun fight. But for some of us it's just not going to be what is best for the general populace or what is the most popular.
I have several reasons that I find compelling as to why I choose revolvers. But that's not to say I think autos are a bad choice. I think in general they are the better choice. But one thing, I got tired of getting bonked in the head by brass. Late Gen III things changed and they just aren't the same gun any longer. At least that is my opinion and observation. (speaking of Glocks) And even if they still did run as good as they used to, I might still choose a revolver for other reasons.
I will say they were easier to rack slides than a lot of autos. The only gun I saw my wife do with some regularness was a G26. She could do my M9 but only sometimes.
gman51
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When I bought my S&W 627-5 a few years ago I asked the counter men if he would throw in a magazine since I paid around 9 bills for it.
With a straight face totally serious he said the gun doesn't use a magazine. I expected he would have at least laughed and said sure and he would order one but it might take a long time to get one. I guess he didn't see my sense of humor. He perhaps saw a person that doesn't know jack and shouldn't have the gun.
With a straight face totally serious he said the gun doesn't use a magazine. I expected he would have at least laughed and said sure and he would order one but it might take a long time to get one. I guess he didn't see my sense of humor. He perhaps saw a person that doesn't know jack and shouldn't have the gun.
He doesn't. He's simply stating that small-frame revolvers and .38 Spl are waning in production and popularity.
You should note that Warner writes for two demographics. The first is what I'd call the "CCW enthusiast"--folks who spend leisure time studying and talking about CCW. More or less the CCW hobbyist. Consumers.
The other group are instructors, or at least the ones that spend time on continuing education. That's who this piece is written for. He's telling us that the market is moving in a certain direction, and if you really read between the lines, that the new shooter market (a lucrative demographic for instructors) is big on small .380 autos. As such, it's probably a smart idea for an instructor to get familiar with little .380s if they aren't already.
So if you were all "who the hell is Claude Warner", it's totally cool, you're just not in Column A or B.
Well my feeling is that like a 1911 pistol, a revolver is a gun aficionado's choice.
The "plastic fantastic" craze started by the G17 in the early 1980's captivated the attention of the general public. Who remembers the metal scanners being overcome by the bad guys carrying "plastic Glocks with ceramic barrels and no metal parts" in the Die Hard 2 movie? As more compact models were released and more people in the US opted for concealed carry they became more popular and sold well. But I would guess that most were carried regularly but seldom fired at all.
Just like the .40 epidemic in the 90's where if you carried a .40 you were considered a lot cooler than if you carried a 9mm (well at least in the movies
).
Like the 1911, revolvers suffer from the stigma of holding less number of rounds. They also tend to have a slightly longer sight radius and be more accurate than the Tupperware guns and 01/02 CZ's.
Today the most common pistols I see in holsters at competitions are the CZ SP01 and the SP02 Shadow. But give those shooters a 1911 (like I did yesterday with a young lady shooter) or a nicely set up revolver, and they start to realise just what they have been missing.
I have just come off a 12 stage 1 1/2 day competition where the squads were mixed with Classic (single stack), revolver and production (CZ) shooters all in the same squad. My 10+1 9mm 1911 times, accuracy and scores more than held their own against the 16+1 CZ crowd, but when the revolver shooters were on the line my envy was clearly showing. Fast, smooth and accurate, those wheel gun shooters made it look so easy.
I doubt that the revolver will pass from general use anytime soon.
PS: that young lady shooter is going home this evening to put her SP01 away for now and start playing with her dad's 9mm 1911. She will be back on our range in 5 weeks to shoot it in my club's annual Classic Division Match. And as I told her father he should prepare for her to want to switch divisions afterwards. Her comment after firing half a mag out of my Kimber? "I really like this gun. It is so much easier to shoot than mine".
The "plastic fantastic" craze started by the G17 in the early 1980's captivated the attention of the general public. Who remembers the metal scanners being overcome by the bad guys carrying "plastic Glocks with ceramic barrels and no metal parts" in the Die Hard 2 movie? As more compact models were released and more people in the US opted for concealed carry they became more popular and sold well. But I would guess that most were carried regularly but seldom fired at all.
Just like the .40 epidemic in the 90's where if you carried a .40 you were considered a lot cooler than if you carried a 9mm (well at least in the movies
). Like the 1911, revolvers suffer from the stigma of holding less number of rounds. They also tend to have a slightly longer sight radius and be more accurate than the Tupperware guns and 01/02 CZ's.
Today the most common pistols I see in holsters at competitions are the CZ SP01 and the SP02 Shadow. But give those shooters a 1911 (like I did yesterday with a young lady shooter) or a nicely set up revolver, and they start to realise just what they have been missing.
I have just come off a 12 stage 1 1/2 day competition where the squads were mixed with Classic (single stack), revolver and production (CZ) shooters all in the same squad. My 10+1 9mm 1911 times, accuracy and scores more than held their own against the 16+1 CZ crowd, but when the revolver shooters were on the line my envy was clearly showing. Fast, smooth and accurate, those wheel gun shooters made it look so easy.
I doubt that the revolver will pass from general use anytime soon.
PS: that young lady shooter is going home this evening to put her SP01 away for now and start playing with her dad's 9mm 1911. She will be back on our range in 5 weeks to shoot it in my club's annual Classic Division Match. And as I told her father he should prepare for her to want to switch divisions afterwards. Her comment after firing half a mag out of my Kimber? "I really like this gun. It is so much easier to shoot than mine".
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Look what is being idolized on TV, movies, and kid's video games. Way back when, it was Revolvers...then Beretta 92fs, then Smith 3rd gen, then Glock. Then the Sig pistols, HK's, etc., etc., etc.
But really, how many of us will conceal carry a Desert Eagle?
Walking Dead Rick brought back the Colt Python and the prices shot up. The next couple of hit movies/TV shows that resurrect the revolver, especially the crazy big bore stuff, you will see the popularity rise again. It is just like fashion- if the more popular people use them, then everyone wants them!
Hell, I bet the sales of the Ruger Mini 14 went bonkers after the A-Team TV series debuted!?!
But really, how many of us will conceal carry a Desert Eagle?
Walking Dead Rick brought back the Colt Python and the prices shot up. The next couple of hit movies/TV shows that resurrect the revolver, especially the crazy big bore stuff, you will see the popularity rise again. It is just like fashion- if the more popular people use them, then everyone wants them!
Hell, I bet the sales of the Ruger Mini 14 went bonkers after the A-Team TV series debuted!?!
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HamHands
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I'm the same way with my CZ's. The P-01 model is one of the only firearms I've never experienced a failure with. And it's worn itself into a nicely polished piece of Czechoslovakian symphony. I went thru a lot of platforms before finding this one as of 5 years ago.
HamHands
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Agreed! The great thing about .38Special... well there are a lot of great things about the cartridge, too many to list. But my favorite thing about it is this... You load a 158grain Hard Cast Full Wad-Cutter to say between 850 to 900fps and for up close bad breath distance, (the distance that 80% plus of gun fights happen) and you have a great attitude adjuster. Pump 2-3 of those little monsters to the navel/pelvis area of a perp and it's about the equivalent pain wise of giving birth to a pair of 11lb twins in an instant. There is no more fight!
That flat meplate/profile of the bullet at the recommended velocity coupled with how hard casts pills act... it's just devastating. No, it's not the sexiest looking, ballistic red/orange tipped, whizz-bang round; but I've found it to be the most effective 30 feet and closer.
And you can't load full wads in our beloved semi-auto's and get them to feed.
Over the last 30 years, I've acquired 7 revolvers and 6 pistols and have holsters for most all of them. I also purchased a new AR15 when I thought Hillary would win.
I'm a big CZ fan. I have a P-01, SP-01 and a NIB PCR. The P's have never, never malfunction. They eat anything and are a pleasure to shoot.
My main OWB carries are a Shield 9mm, a 640 Pro and a 642. My pocket carry is a LCP, which I carry the most on weekdays. Its just better for my workday schedule. I wouldn't discount the LCP.
I have my EDC's so I'm only interested in revolvers now. I do wish the new 2 3/4'' Model 66 was in a standard SS finish.
I'm a big CZ fan. I have a P-01, SP-01 and a NIB PCR. The P's have never, never malfunction. They eat anything and are a pleasure to shoot.
My main OWB carries are a Shield 9mm, a 640 Pro and a 642. My pocket carry is a LCP, which I carry the most on weekdays. Its just better for my workday schedule. I wouldn't discount the LCP.
I have my EDC's so I'm only interested in revolvers now. I do wish the new 2 3/4'' Model 66 was in a standard SS finish.
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