Revolvers Sold in Kalifornia

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Hello all:

Trying to do some reading on the new micro imprinting and law in California. Why are revolvers exempt?

Can someone in the know explain this to me?

I will greatly appreciate it. :D
 
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I can't explain it to you. I also doubt the people who made the law could explain it either. I'm thinking it probably has something to do with the ejected case. If that makes any sense.
 
I can't explain it to you. I also doubt the people who made the law could explain it either. I'm thinking it probably has something to do with the ejected case. If that makes any sense.

I'd like to think they put even that much thought into it, but I doubt it. Probably because "automatics are evil", and it is easier to sell the micro stamping idea with them first. Revolvers next......

Larry
 
So let's see, micro printing on the brass, what happens after it's been reloaded a couple times?

I haven't read the law but I believe the micro printing will be on the firing pin. It is all bunk. Just a back door gun control measure. The powers know darn right well that the gun makers will say goodbye rather than comply with the costly requirements. Happened here in MA in the early 2000's.
 
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It's the ejected brass concept. Most drive-by's and gang shoots are quick, with brass everywhere. No one hangs around to pick up after themselves.

Revolver shooters rarely reload, hence, no brass.

This law was supposedly pushed by LEO's and DA's wanting some way to link a gun to a crime scene.
 
Couldn't a fellow just order a new firing pin and swap them? This is assuming he didn't want to take the time to stone off the head of the original.

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You're thinking like a "gun guy". Most BG's aren't gunsmiths and some don't even own their guns. They toss them after a doing or sell them to the next guy who needs one. As I understand it, in some neighborhoods, a gun may be kept in a centrally located place with easy access and is taken and returned as needed - not unlike a library book.

The ultimate in "community action".:rolleyes:
 
This law has nothing to do with public safety or criminal investigation. It is all about putting more roadblocks in the way of honest, law abiding gun owners and limiting the guns they can buy by increasing their expense. the technology actually works sort-of well with high pressure cartridges like .40, and not so good with lower pressure cartridges like .45 acp. It also creates a huge, expensive program to track the miscrostamp numbers and replacement parts.
 
I think I'm going to invent a 17 shot automatic, "BLACK POWDER and CAP and BALL type, that can be made by using one of those new type printers.?????

Would there be any interest, before I get started staying up late at night inventing?


WuzzFuzz
 
I think I'm going to invent a 17 shot automatic, "BLACK POWDER and CAP and BALL type, that can be made by using one of those new type printers.?????

Would there be any interest, before I get started staying up late at night inventing?


WuzzFuzz

Ya know, a cap & ball revolver might be the perfect weapon for a crime. No brass left behind and after a couple of rounds you could make your escape behind the cover of smoke! :D

the reason revolvers are exempt in cali is they dont know what one is

I tried to Google some witty remark to make re Florida. Crashed my browser... :(
 
Folks,

'Microstamping' is statutorily _not_ applicable to revolvers.

Microstamping passed in CA in 2007, but not until recently was it regarded as "technology that exists,
with no encumbering intellectual property" and thus now is subject to required implementation for new
handguns being Rostered.

'Microstamping' is only required for new semiauto pistols being Rostered for sale in CA, and not for guns
already approved/Rostered for sale. Already-Rostered handgun models, unchanged, can remain Rostered
if renewal fees are periodically paid.

[The Roster does not apply to dimensionally-compliant single-shot pistols nor single-action revolvers. It
also does not apply to CA FFL-mediated private party handgun transfers btwn CA residents, nor consignment
sales at CA FFLs, nor for various lineal intrafamily transfers & inheritance/bequest matters.]

However, because CA DOJ Firearms Bureau treats even the most trivial midstream production engineering changes to a Rostered handgun - even if those changes actually aid quality/consistency
or enhance safety - as substantive [i.e., outside of sights & grips], such changes make the gun
regardable as a 'new gun' requiring retesting, new fees paid, and re-Rostering as new model.
And such 'new guns' being Rostered require microstamping - which really isn't implementable
despite DOJ's assertion.

CA DOJ has gone so far to even say trivial site changes for parts supply - even if parts made with identical
materials, dimensions, tolerances and on the same machinery - makes a given gun model fall off the Roster.

No large gun mfgr can really _not_ do such small midstream engineering changes - tooling changes, material
supplies change, improvements are identified & implemented, etc. The DOJ is essentially demanding design
and production are 'frozen in time' - even if that were to results in a substandard or reduced safety product,
and even though 'continuous improvement' is now the mantra of every quality manufacturing process worldwide.
[Have you seen the cars in Cuba and - until fairly recently - in India?]

So contrary to news saying S&W and Ruger "are abandoning the CA market", all they did was normal workflow
and the DOJ, and antigun AG Kamala Harris [distinctly different behavior vs former AG Brown] turned the screws
up.

S&W managed to get modern production changes in the Rostered 'M&P Shield' line and the Sigma-derived SWVEs before new microstamping regulatory implementation occurred. S&W has said these will remain unchanged
in CA for the forseeable future so at least some S&W autos will be available here. And even if substantive changes
occur in the revolver line, these are at least re-Rosterable without microstamping.

I will note The Calguns Foundation is litigating in Federal Court against the full CA handgun Roster regime.


-Bill Wiese
Calguns Foundation
 
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