Rifle Comparrison

[kingfhb]

Has anyone compared the 15-22 to any of the following .22lr rifles? For realism (appearance anyway) I think the Chiappa is top of the list.

The one we all know and love...
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Chiappa Firearms Mfour-22 Gen II Pro Semi Automatic Rimfire Rifle .22 Long Rifle 16"

Chiappa mfour-22 Semi Auto Rifle .22 LR 16"

Umarex Colt M4 OPS Semi Auto Rifle .22 LR 16"

Umarex Colt M4 Carbine Semi Automatic Rifle .22 LR 16.2"

American Tactical Imports M4 Tactical Semi-Automatic Rifle .22 Long Rifle 16"

Mossberg 715 Tactical Semi Auto Rifle .22 LR 16.25"

CMMG AR-15 Semi Auto Rifle .22 LR 16"

Does anyone have experience with the Chiappa?

Rank them from your experience... 1-10.

 

[Beuford T. Rimfire]

The Umarex/Colt/HK rifles get a big 'ole ZERO. They are absolute garbage.

The Chiappa and American Tactical Imports rifles are probably made by the same people (possibly Umarex also.) Just look at the similarities in the two pictures. I have no experience with either of these. I'll give them a THREE.... if they were worth having, I'd bet I would know someone that did.

The Mossy is really not similar to an AR in any way. It's just a different Mossy model in tactical clothing. But it does work, and reasonably well. For reliability only, I'll give that one a SIX.

The dedicated AR-15 upper assembly. Well, this one has been beaten to death. If you have an AR, then yes, it might make sense to have an upper in .22LR that you can just swap out, but then you're also filling your lower receiver full of nasty .22LR crud. Buying an AR-15 with a dedicated upper in .22LR for the purpose of having an AR-style .22 makes little sense. You could buy two M&P 15-22's for that price. This one gets a FIVE in my opinion. And if you're talking about one of those drop-in conversion kits for the .223 upper - then I'd give it about a THREE.

All points considered: Reliability, Accuracy, Ease of Maintenance, Similarity to the AR platform, Available Accessories, among others... the M&P is the way to go.

 

[SmokeStack Lightning]

The Mossberg 'T' is no more than a stockless 'Plinker' dressed up in black plastic. The plastic 'shell' is held together by coarse thread screws.

Nothing really 'tactical' about it.

It did capture my attention at my LGS and gave me the 'I wantz' for a 15/22!! So, I guess it was good for something.

Don't mean to offend anyone that happens to own one. These are my opinions, an owner's is probably different.

 

[yugowego]

CMMG as it is a .22lr upper on a standard AR15 lower. Also you can get just the drop in bolt assemblies from CMMG for your standard 5.56/.223 AR.

 

[Brett248Vista]

The Chiappa looked interesting till I watched reviews on Youtube. The Bolt Catch is
not functional. Big fail.

 

[cyphertext]

For realism, that goes to the CMMG hands down. That is a dedicated .22lr upper on a 5.56 lower. In other words, it is an AR-15, chambered in .22lr.

For mimicking the operation and manual of arms of an AR-15 out of the box, that goes to the 15-22. Bolt hold open works, bolt release is functional, charging handle is functional.

I bought the 15-22 for my son, and then bought the CMMG for myself. I was somewhat disappointed in the CMMG, since it did not have true bolt hold open. The bolt is held open by the empty magazine. Remove the magazine and the bolt goes forward, requiring you to pull the charging handle when a new magazine is inserted. There are kits to add the bolt hold open feature, but for the cost, it should have already been there. Who knew that a .22lr AR built on an AR upper and lower wouldn't function like an AR?

I guess I would give the M&P a 9, and the CMMG a 7, out of the box. I am ordering a kit to give me bolt hold open and to allow my CMMG to use S&W magazines... once I have that, my ranking may change.

 

[cjt50]

Actually, an after market product will make the CMMG conversions have a functioning bolt hold open, and the kicker, it uses our beloved 15-22 mags!

Link: Better-Mag S&W® .22 Rimfire Magazine Adaptor

Bought one, tried it and it was flawless. All rounds fed perfectly, bolt held open after the magazine ran dry. This is something the part from CMMG was never able to do reliably.

If you have a CMMG conversion or dedicated upper and a boat load of 15-22 magazines, this is well worth the investment.

 

[cyphertext]

Actually, an after market product will make the CMMG conversions have a functioning bolt hold open, and the kicker, it uses our beloved 15-22 mags!

Link: Better-Mag S&W® .22 Rimfire Magazine Adaptor

Bought one, tried it and it was flawless. All rounds fed perfectly, bolt held open after the magazine ran dry. This is something the part from CMMG was never able to do reliably.

If you have a CMMG conversion or dedicated upper and a boat load of 15-22 magazines, this is well worth the investment.

This is what I have been looking at getting. Just disappointing that the CMMG didn't do this out of the box.

 

[rescue119]

The whole reason I bought the mp15-22 was for a ar trainer and as a mil member it is perfect. Only thing I would like to see is a bigger charging handle stock. I will be. Buying one. Not having a forward assist doesn't bother me because no one uses them anyways

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[photoracer]

For realism, that goes to the CMMG hands down. That is a dedicated .22lr upper on a 5.56 lower. In other words, it is an AR-15, chambered in .22lr.

For mimicking the operation and manual of arms of an AR-15 out of the box, that goes to the 15-22. Bolt hold open works, bolt release is functional, charging handle is functional.

I bought the 15-22 for my son, and then bought the CMMG for myself. I was somewhat disappointed in the CMMG, since it did not have true bolt hold open. The bolt is held open by the empty magazine. Remove the magazine and the bolt goes forward, requiring you to pull the charging handle when a new magazine is inserted. There are kits to add the bolt hold open feature, but for the cost, it should have already been there. Who knew that a .22lr AR built on an AR upper and lower wouldn't function like an AR?

I guess I would give the M&P a 9, and the CMMG a 7, out of the box. I am ordering a kit to give me bolt hold open and to allow my CMMG to use S&W magazines... once I have that, my ranking may change.

Actually CMMG makes an adapter that makes the hold open work just like a regular AR on the .22 conversions because I have one. Also have the adapter that allows the use of 15-22 mags and that adapter has the HO work correctly also.

 

[cyphertext]

Actually CMMG makes an adapter that makes the hold open work just like a regular AR on the .22 conversions because I have one. Also have the adapter that allows the use of 15-22 mags and that adapter has the HO work correctly also.

Yes, I know they do, but for the price paid, it should have had that function out of the box. When you buy the complete rifle from CMMG, that adapter should come with it.

 

[rbuzz]

Does anyone have experience with the Chiappa?

I don't have any experience with Chiappa but I did get an email from Davidson and the Chiappa M four-22 is on sale this week for about $430 (depending on your dealer's pricing) so it is comparable in price to the M&P 15-22. It might be worth checking out, but ultimately only you can make the decision about what's right for you.
Weekly Specials - galleryofguns.com

 

[speedyquad]

The Mossy is really not similar to an AR in any way. It's just a different Mossy model in tactical clothing. But it does work, and reasonably well. For reliability only, I'll give that one a SIX.

i give the mossjunk a negative 10...it is nothing like the smith(which is the only other that i have experience with). i had a mossy...one of 3 people that i know personally that had them...all 3 have been sold...all 3 went back to mossberg after the first outing at the range for the same thing...all 3 were purchased months apart at 3 different dealers...all 3 were ordered(not from dealer stock) and waited on for at least a week before they were delivered to the dealer.

mine was the carry handle version and by the time i reached 75 rounds, it was basically a single shot...the bolt was locking back...so i cleaned it again..less lube and had the same issue, cleaned it again...more lube, same issue...called mossberg, they wanted the dealer to ship it back on his dime, or me ship it back on my dime...i finally got them to send me shipping label as a one time favor for me...which came 3 weeks or so later...it was delivered back to me on a saturday, i shot it again sunday, and it would not eject...another 3 weeks of phone calls, emails(due to my work schedule), etc, got the ok to send it back...yes, i needed the ok to send it back and i paid for it this time...two weeks later, it came back and seemed to work ok...still had a few fail to feeds and fail to ejects over the next 150 rounds, but i don't think it was going to get any better...

luckily, i sold it to a friend who knew of the problems that i had with it and he was ok with that...i was never happier to get rid of a piece of junk as when he walked out of my house that day...

also with the carry handle version, the front sight was part of the molded plastic shell...it was not adjustable. i was low, from a rest, and could not get it sighted any higher. not because the rear sight was maxed out, but because the carry handle came into view and blocked me seeing the front sight...i asked on the first trip back to have it switched to a flat top and was told no. i could not even buy the different shell and sights. but i asked again in the letter enclosed in the box...luckily it came back as a flat top version at no cost with one extra mag...i do give mossberg kudos for this...

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

IMO, there are only two rifles worth considering for an AR platform-- 1522 and CMMG.

Hopefully they will soon come out with polymer upper and lower conversion kit for the CMMG, and metal conversion kit for the 1522.

 

[RedNeck Jim]

Hopefully they will soon come out with polymer upper and lower conversion kit for the CMMG, and metal conversion kit for the 1522.

You just can't figure out what you want... can you?

 

[Racefan3n88]

I know it's not listed in op, but the Sig 522 is a nice tactical 22. Very accurate and well built. Definitely heavier than the 1522 though

 

[Smitty357]

I actually have a GSG AK-22. Which is basically a 22.lr thats made to look like an AK. It happens to be the one more modern .22lr that i enjoy shooting. I even shoot it more than i shoot my 15-22. But thats because its something different than the usual.

Aside from it, i can't ever get enough of shooting my old .22lr pump.

 

[flybuddy]

I've got the GSG AK and GSG 522. Agree, the AK is fun because of it's uniqueness ALSO, they seem to make good stuff. Only downside on the AK is lack of windage adjustment although the STG44-22 sights will fit the AK. Unfortunately I ordered a set from ATI 5 months ago and still waiting for them coming from Germany.
I also have an M&P 15 22 and M&P 15 (with the CMMG kit on the way)-Midway has them on sale for $131.80
CMMG Rimfire Conversion Kit AR-15 26-Round Mag 22 Long Rifle Matte.
The 15-22 is very reliable and accurate but a bit light and has different sights.
Another nice rifle to consider is the Beretta ARX 160-22.

 

[Ibmikey]

I have a 15-22 MOE that can be described as "funtastic". For pure fun with realistic controls they are number one. Also I have a dedicated DPMS M4 .22 LR that is about the same as the CMMG, mine is a flawless performer with the weight and feel of an AR. All controls are functional but as with CMMG it will lock back on the magazine (both use Black Dog) and the forward assist is non functional but adds to the "real" look.
Except for a few dud .22 cartridges both the 15-22 and the DPMS are trouble free, accurate and did I say FUN!

 

[photoracer]

The Umarex/Colt/HK rifles get a big 'ole ZERO. They are absolute garbage.

The Chiappa and American Tactical Imports rifles are probably made by the same people (possibly Umarex also.) Just look at the similarities in the two pictures. I have no experience with either of these. I'll give them a THREE.... if they were worth having, I'd bet I would know someone that did.

The Mossy is really not similar to an AR in any way. It's just a different Mossy model in tactical clothing. But it does work, and reasonably well. For reliability only, I'll give that one a SIX.

The dedicated AR-15 upper assembly. Well, this one has been beaten to death. If you have an AR, then yes, it might make sense to have an upper in .22LR that you can just swap out, but then you're also filling your lower receiver full of nasty .22LR crud. Buying an AR-15 with a dedicated upper in .22LR for the purpose of having an AR-style .22 makes little sense. You could buy two M&P 15-22's for that price. This one gets a FIVE in my opinion. And if you're talking about one of those drop-in conversion kits for the .223 upper - then I'd give it about a THREE.

All points considered: Reliability, Accuracy, Ease of Maintenance, Similarity to the AR platform, Available Accessories, among others... the M&P is the way to go.

As far as I know the Chiappa is a full AR conversion because their .22 AR uppers are always on the prize table at the Ruger Rimfire World Championships. Have never used one but the concencus is they are not quite as reliable as the Tac Sol uppers. That is at best 3rd hand knowledge. I have found that the CMMG Stainless Steel conversion is 100% reliable in any of my ARs, with the exception of the hold open issue. I have since got one the the CMMG hold open adapters that make it like a regular AR and converted the CMMG into a full blown Taccom .22 AR upper with their parts. With the hold open issues aside it is my belief that a properly functioning AR .22 upper is superior in almost every way to a 15-22. However since I own 2 15-22s right at this instant I would use them instead of the .22 upper because the 15-22s have been stone reliable for close to 3 years so far and the .22 upper is still in the project acceptance stage.