Ruger LCP

[Karl in NY]

I believe the Kahr .380 is scheduled to be released in a couple of weeks...

 

[bwh]

What's interesting is that there seems to be plenty of market share for all pocket .380 offerings.

Ruger can't make them fast enough - dealers around here get one or two a week if they are lucky. Kel-Tecs, particularly the P3AT, are getting hard to order (my local gun store got three in last week and said he was lucky to find those). Kahr's offering coming on-line will only help a little bit (Kahr's rates of production are even lower than Ruger and Kel-Tec).

Seems the Heller decision and here in Georgia the new gun law (AND the potential outcome of the November elections) have spurred a buying frenzy.

 

[Mountaineer]

I'm surprised that the Seecamp is so frequently left out of these discussions. The .380 is the same size as the .32 and totally reliable. I personally prefer the .32 in a gun that size. Nothing I have found fits so comfortably in the front pants pocket.

 

[Firehouse]

No one ever mentions NAA Guardians. I have a .32 NAA (a .380 necked down to a .32) that I'd put up against any of the aforementioned mouse guns in the reliability dept. It's a tad heavy though.

 

[Karl in NY]

Having owned both a Seecamp and a Kel-Tec, I have to say that Seecamp missed the boat by not having a true locked-breech design.

The Seecamp delayed-blowback design results in significantly sharper recoil.

The Ruger LCP is locked-breech, as will be the Kahr.

 

[38-44HD45]

I've carried a Seecamp .32 for many years now, every day, as a second, sometimes third gun. It always works. The Seecamp .380 is much more expensive, very hard to find, recoils LOTS more, and has a pretty short service life for such an expensive gun. (Think, maybe even less than the 3K rounds or so of the Beretta Tomcat.) I own 3 P3ATs, and every one has been perfectly reliable. Each of my two sons carries a P3AT, and theirs work every time, too. The only malfs I've seen in P3ATs that came through my classes have been traceable to junk ammo or limp-wristing, though I do know two fellows whose P3ATs broke parts after only a few rounds and had to be returned for service. I might want to try one of the little Rugers, but if I do, it won't be because I "need" one!

 

[Mountaineer]

Originally posted by Firehouse Firearms:
No one ever mentions NAA Guardians. I have a .32 NAA (a .380 necked down to a .32) that I'd put up against any of the aforementioned mouse guns in the reliability dept. It's a tad heavy though.

Unless I am mistaken, the NAA Guardian is a knockoff of the Seecamp and, therefore, the same good things could be said of both. The Seecamp weighs in empty at 10.45 oz. - only a half ounce heavier than the Kahr and one ounce more than the LCP.

To me, the real plus of the Seecamp (and Guardian) is the true revolver-like DAO. I can't quit worrying about the LCP half-cocked hammer and the Kahr half-tensioned firing pin going off in my pocket!

 

[sisco50]

Originally posted by Mountaineer:
I'm surprised that the Seecamp is so frequently left out of these discussions. The .380 is the same size as the .32 and totally reliable. I personally prefer the .32 in a gun that size. Nothing I have found fits so comfortably in the front pants pocket.

I love shooting the LWS-32 but carry the LWS-380. Since Seecamp doesn't produce a 9mm, I also own the Rohrbaugh R9s. I shoot it less than my .380 for obvious reasons.

 

[sisco50]

Originally posted by Firehouse Firearms:
No one ever mentions NAA Guardians. I have a .32 NAA (a .380 necked down to a .32) that I'd put up against any of the aforementioned mouse guns in the reliability dept. It's a tad heavy though.

The .32 NAA ammo is a bit expensive and hard to find. I don't know too many people that own one.

 

[sisco50]

Originally posted by Karl in NY:
I believe the Kahr .380 is scheduled to be released in a couple of weeks...

Hope you are right but I heard it will be in Dec 08.

 

[Firehouse]

Originally posted by sisco50:

Originally posted by Firehouse Firearms:
No one ever mentions NAA Guardians. I have a .32 NAA (a .380 necked down to a .32) that I'd put up against any of the aforementioned mouse guns in the reliability dept. It's a tad heavy though.

The .32 NAA ammo is a bit expensive and hard to find. I don't know too many people that own one.

To be honest, I stocked up on ammo for mine. I have 6 or 8 boxes stuck back. Corbon makes it, you may have to have it specially ordered but it is readily available.

 

[Landor]

I have an LCP. It is a great little backup. I have no idea how you guys conceal a J frame as a pocket gun with little or no problem. I could never conceal one in my casual work pants pockets and get away with it. The LCP works great as a pocket gun.

The Kahr from what I heard will be priced around $500 - $600.

 

[Rustyknife1]

Got my lcp back from ruger yestarday.

They said they:

Repaired the barrel ?
Replaced the extractor
Replaced the hammer assembly
Repaired an insert
Replaced both insert pins
Replaced the trigger bar.

Fired 3 rounds through it and put it in my pocket, it definatly is a keeper. Its a machine, and machines break, thats not rugers fault, and they made good on it.

Im happy

 

[PDL]

Haven't seen the LCP around here since they don't seem to be able to get/keep them. I was handling a P3AT and it felt flimsy, so I was definitely moving towards the LCP. But with my hands, I just wish they'd put 2 more rounds in the mag. That way I could get a better grip on the thing. I've got an 8 shot .32 from Mauser that fits perfectly. It was just made long before Poly or aluminum or whatever light weight so it don't work in a shirt pocket.
I wouldn't think an extra 2/3 of an inch longer in the handle would affect concealment.

 

[00Buckshot62]

Originally posted by Rustyknife1:
Got my lcp back from ruger yestarday.

They said they:

Repaired the barrel ?
Replaced the extractor
Replaced the hammer assembly
Repaired an insert
Replaced both insert pins
Replaced the trigger bar.

Fired 3 rounds through it and put it in my pocket, it definatly is a keeper. Its a machine, and machines break, thats not rugers fault, and they made good on it.

Im happy

I would never trust my life to a 3 round testfire, much less happily!

But then, I fix guns for a living & am probably a little more cautious about trusting firearms. Reliability becomes more finicky the more complex & miniaturized the mechanism. Ruger's service dept. does good work, but go shoot at least 50 rounds out of it before trusting your life to it.

 

[vanya]

hmmm. S & W forum.. Talking up a ruger LCP copy of a Kel Tec. Just buy KT and polish it up. Mine is awsome. Doesn't break either (knocking on wood)

 

[gmchenry]

To each their own. I don't green-light a pistol for CCW until I've put about 500 rounds through it without a stoppage.

 

[Karl in NY]

Is the Ruger trigger like the Kel-Tec, in that it's easy to get a false trigger-reset click by not allowing the trigger to go fully forward after each shot? I routinely did that with my P3AT, resulting in misfires...

Operator error, admittedly...too hard to transition from a Glock 19 trigger to the P3AT for me.

 

[Rustyknife1]

Originally posted by 00Buckshot62:

Originally posted by Rustyknife1:
Got my lcp back from ruger yestarday.

They said they:

Repaired the barrel ?
Replaced the extractor
Replaced the hammer assembly
Repaired an insert
Replaced both insert pins
Replaced the trigger bar.

Fired 3 rounds through it and put it in my pocket, it definatly is a keeper. Its a machine, and machines break, thats not rugers fault, and they made good on it.

Im happy

I would never trust my life to a 3 round testfire, much less happily!

But then, I fix guns for a living & am probably a little more cautious about trusting firearms. Reliability becomes more finicky the more complex & miniaturized the mechanism. Ruger's service dept. does good work, but go shoot at least 50 rounds out of it before trusting your life to it.

Eh, I dont really have a choice. I had shoulder surgery at the end of june, just got out of my sling fully saturday. Couldnt muster more then three. I do agree with you, but I just can't fire more rounds at this point.


I had zero feed and extract issues in the first few hundred rounds, it just quit cocking the hammer back all the way one day. It goes boom now, I trust it.

 

[shawn mccarver]

Originally posted by cometpx4:
Found one today and snapped it up.Comes with one mag. Put 50 rounds of Sellier&Bellot, 50 of American eagle FMJ and 25 90 grain Hydra shoks, Ran like a swiss watch. Hard to hit until i can train with the trigger a little. Its a winner. I will try it with some sxt's and silvertips. it could replace my airweight as summer carry. it was a breeze to drop in my pocket

I am glad to hear it ran with S&B ammo. The Kel-Tec will often not do that. Sounds like Ruger did not completely copy the Kel-Tec design!