Ruger SP-101 or S&W Equivalent

I don't think anyone has answered your question yet. So -- does S&W make a revolver that meets the criteria of size, action and weight of the SP101?

The answer is "no". S&W sort of straddles the SP101 with it's 5-shot .357 J-frame guns on the smaller size to the 6-shot K-frame .357's like the Model 66 on the larger size.
 
A former S&W PR man told me that he fired a J-Magnum with .357 ammo.

By the 5th shot, he thought, Thank God, That's over!

As for .327, ammo supply may be spotty.
 
Thanks to everyone for their information. I obviously have a lot of options to share with my wife. As stated by several of you, she will eventually decide which gun is right for her. Thanks again for your feedback.
 
Why do you guys refer to the SP101 as a J frame? Have they redesigned it?


Because my 4-inch 22, bought in '04, is the same size as my Victory. K frame size.
 

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I had an SP101 and S&W model 60 years ago. I never could warm up to the Ruger. Sharp edges, it rattled and the trigger wasn’t at all to my liking. It went away and the Smith stayed.

Then one night somebody was outside out home knocking on one of our windows. I had a Glock 19 and my wife the Smith, but she was panicking and kept wanting to cock it. It went away the next day and was replaced with a model 640. DAO for defensive use wheelguns makes a lot of sense for a multitude of reasons and we always insist on them.

The 640 was nice, but a bit heavy for carry and it had the interval lock, so I traded it in for an air weight and have several of them.

If S&W would release a no-lock 640, that would be my wife’s dedicated home defense gun, but the 642 does both HD and carry pretty well.
 
The SP101 is a noticably softer shooting gun with the cushion tenon style grip and slightly heavier weight. It is much more controllable with .357 level loads.
 
SP101 would be my choice. I almost bought one a while back but then saw the GP100 - it's a tank and a fine shooter.

S&W may have a better trigger, but pound for pound, Ruger is better (IMO). Depends on what you wish to do with it. If you want to show it off use occasionally, S&W is it. If you want something that is dependable and can handle just about anything, SP101 (or GP100).

BTW, Ruger has MUCH better customer service.
 
There are always pros and cons and what makes sense for your wife will depend on what's important for your wife.

Below are some of the J and J Magnum frame S&W options.

Top to bottom, a 3" Model 60 and a 2.125" Model 60 (both J Magnum frames in .357 Mag), a J Magnum frame Model 36 rated for .38 +P, and a J frame Model 36 designed for .38 Special.
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In my experience, the 3" barrel is just as easy to carry and conceal as a 2.125" barrel, so if you have a choice between the two always take the 3". You'll get more ballistic efficiency regardless of whether you shoot .357 Magnum, .38 +P or .38 Special, and if you shoot .38 Special you really need the longer barrel to get acceptable terminal performance.

Three of the above revolvers have a Hogue Monogrip and they are comfortable, reduce felt recoil and make the revolver a bit easier to hold and control. It's less of an issue with .38 Special, but more comfort does increase the potential the person will actually shoot the revolver enough to get good with it. The wooden boot grips is small and compact, but it less comfortable to shoot.

Below are the above mentioned 3" and 2.125" Model 60 (bottom two on the right), with some of the alternatives.

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Top right is a 3" SP101. In comparison to the 3" Model 60, there are some pros and cons. The SP101 is about 5 oz heavier than the Model 60. That's enough additional weight to make it much less painful to shoot with .357 Magnum and noticeably more comfortable to shoot with .38 +P or .38 Special. It also isn't enough extra weight to make it noticeably less comfortable to carry.

The SP101 is built substantially stronger than the J Magnum Model 60. Particularly around the forcing cone:
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The only con is that the SP 101's stock trigger tends to be heavier than the average Model 60 standards, but that's fairly easy to fix by replacing the trigger return spring and the hammer spring.

The Ruger trigger feels a bit more mechanical, but that's either a pro or a con depending the shooter's preference.

Going back to the middle picture, you can also go in frame size. On the top left is a K frame 3" Model 19. It's about 5 oz heavier than an SP101, but it is noticeably larger. Middle left is a 2 3/4" Ruger Speed Six. It a couple ounces heavier than the Model 19, at about 37 oz loaded, and it's generally comparable to the S&W L frame (and the K and L frames share the same grip frame. Bottom left is a K frame 2 1/2 Model 66. All of the above are chambered for .357 Magnum, but shoot .38 +P or .38 Special just fine. If your wife plans to actually carry .357 Magnum, then I recommend she get a K or L frame revolver, or a Ruger GP100.

One advantage of the GP100, like the SP101 is that the peg grip frame allows for a much broader range of grip sizes and trigger reaches than the S&W revolvers. That's a major advantage if the shooter has smaller hands.

A 2 1/2" or 3" K or L frame revolver is generally not hard to conceal - for an average man carrying it IWB. However, it can be a bit much for some women. Off body carry is an option, but it's an option with a lot of downsides that warrants it's own thread.

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At the end of the day, all of the above work, but it really comes down to getting your wife something that she's comfortable with, points well for her, and that she'll actually shoot and practice with.


Way too many people regard a snub nose revolver as something to just point in the general direction of an assailant and pull the trigger, along with a belief that they are not accurate. That's not the case at all. They are capable of fine combat accuracy (although recovery time and rate of fire improve on the larger frame snub nose revolvers). If someone is carrying .38 Special, good bullet placement is important, as the round itself is a bit marginal.

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I have an SP101. Love it. Thought about selling then said no way. My wife, daughters, and grandkids have all learned to shoot revolvers using that firearm. However, no magnum loads for them yet!!
 
Comparing the 3" SP101 to the 3"Model 60 specifically:

1) The SP101 is stronger, particularly in the forcing cone and will stand up to a steady diet of .357 Magnum much better than the Model 60.

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2) Overall size is fairly close. Some of the extra weight of the SP101 is in the full underlug barrel, and while I'm generally not a fan of full underlug barrels it does make a difference in the SP101.

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3) The SP101 has fixed sights, while the Model 60's sights are adjustable.

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Fixed sights are lower profile, while adjustable sights allow the shooter to regulate the revolver to the load, which gives the shooter a bit more flexibility in ammo selection without compromising the ability to put rounds on point of aim.

4) In the previous picture you can also see the SP101's wider, heavier frame and the larger fire control parts.

Ruger who started the trend away from milled parts with their Security, Service and Speed series in the early 1970s. They used larger than normal fire control parts in those revolvers as insurance when moving away from milled parts. They've stayed with that approach building their fire controls parts larger than average, and the benefit is that they almost never break and wear less than their S&W counterparts.
 
I own both a bobbed hammer SP101 and a mode Smith J-frames than I'm comfortable saying.

Both Smiths and Rugers Sp101s are good guns.


As others have said, the Ruger is chunkier. If the plan is to shoot 357s, I think it's the more controllable gun.

The slimmer Smith's carry a little easier.

The Ruger WILL need action work to get a good DA trigger. The Smith might but probably won't.

I own more Smiths than Ruger and that says something I think. That Ruger is no slouch though and handles .357s better I think.

Good luck but you can't really make a bad decision here.
 
FWIW, the August issue of NRA's American Rifleman Magazine has an article on the snubbie revolvers starting on page 56, with examples of 4 on page 74, but not a lot of weight, etc. data. Those little hammerless double action only S&Ws are popular with some of my friends' wives for purse guns. But, good luck finding a dealer that has examples on hand of all the ones she'd like to handle.
 
.357s are brutal in small guns, most men don't like them and I would think nearly all ladies would not. I would rather shoot a M29 .44 Magnum than a small .357 and in the alloy framed guns even .38 +P is not a whole lot of fun to shoot but it's what I prefer to carry.
 
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I had a snub SP101, nice gun overall but sharp edges, heavy trigger and still only 5 shot. I put a reduced power Spring in and it helped a bit but its nothing like a S&W trigger IMO. I much preferred my 640 Pro and 360 and would buy a 60 everytime over another SP. People generally assume that because Rugers are heavier they are stronger and more robust. That's not true, they are just heavier. By virtue of how they are made vs how S&W makes theirs. I would have you wife look at a 66 snub and see how she likes it, if it's absolutely too big for her liking I'd show her a model 60 in 3".
 
I had an SP101 and S&W model 60 years ago. I never could warm up to the Ruger. Sharp edges, it rattled and the trigger wasn’t at all to my liking. It went away and the Smith stayed.

Then one night somebody was outside out home knocking on one of our windows. I had a Glock 19 and my wife the Smith, but she was panicking and kept wanting to cock it. It went away the next day and was replaced with a model 640. DAO for defensive use wheelguns makes a lot of sense for a multitude of reasons and we always insist on them.

The 640 was nice, but a bit heavy for carry and it had the interval lock, so I traded it in for an air weight and have several of them.

If S&W would release a no-lock 640, that would be my wife’s dedicated home defense gun, but the 642 does both HD and carry pretty well.

Look no further my man, they have just the thing.

Performance Center(R) Pro Series(R) Model 640 | Smith & Wesson

As for the original question. The SP101 will have less felt recoil than the smith model 60 or 640 since the SP101 is heavier. I find the 2in 101 balances poorly, but I really like it in 3in trim. Model 60 feels pretty good in either length. If recoil is the primary concern I'd check out the 327 SP101 and run 32 or 32h&r.
 
if you are going to shoot it a lot get the Ruger. if you are going to carry it more than shooting it get the S & W. well thats hog wash, lots of SW products go 1000's of rds without a Issue, You should read some comments of Ruger owners with poor fit of parts on 101's' and the 100GP. I carry a 642 that has 500+ rds of 158 gr Spl ammo through it without 1 issue. Light weight weapon with 38 spl ammo is quite sufficient for Civilian Usage.

I think Mrnurse meant that the Smith was better for carrying because it will weigh less than the Ruger. Relative durability was not the issue.
 
Cellar Hound,
to answer your question, I suggest the S&W Peformance Center Model 60 Pro Series. It has the three inch slab sided barrel and weighs in nicely for balance, plus (not mentioned by those promoting the Ruger, it has a forged frame, not a cast frame like the Ruger.

I own both and promote both for different purposes. I didn't get into the forged versus cast frame issue because it's meaningless. Ruger has been doing cast frames for almost 50 years. They have the process down and they do it right.

There's also a myth that forging are immune to problems. They are not. The dies wear over time, forgings have internal stresses that must be properly stress relieved, and like casting, quality matters.

The fact is both Ruger and S&W make suitably strong frames for their revolvers with comparable error/defect rates.
 
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