Rust removal

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I recently have come into possession of a few rust bucket project guns and have a strange question. I was told you could soak rusty objects in Coca-Cola to eat the rust off. Any one heard of this or tried it? I currently have them soaking in a bucket of transmission fluid and daily take a brass brush to them, slowly brushing away the surface rust but the actions are still frozen. One is a S&W j frame revolver and am just now getting to the side plate screws. The cylinder is solidly locked and the latch won't move. Not to worried about damaging to much as I feel I can replace most of what I break. Otherwise this is mostly a learning exercise. Help from the wise ones would be most appreciated!
 
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Coco Cola will remove rust because of the mild acid in it. I've removed rust from steel parts as a joke, and found out it really does work. There was no pitting, just bare steel.
 
What is Kroil and where do you get it? I have an old blued gun that has an area around the trigger guard that is just starting to aquire some rust. I can feel some roughness more than see it and want to stop it if possible. Would Kroil work on blued steel as well? Thanks.
 
What is Kroil and where do you get it? I have an old blued gun that has an area around the trigger guard that is just starting to aquire some rust. I can feel some roughness more than see it and want to stop it if possible. Would Kroil work on blued steel as well? Thanks.

It's a creeping penetrating oil that also cuts rust. You can order it direct from kanolabs.com 615-833-4101. I've used it on blued firearms for years with no problems.
 
If the rust is that bad and you have a few guns, you might try an electrolysis system (see Rust Removal Using Electrolysis for example). They are pretty easy to set up, and are perfectly safe on the metal, but will remove blue, too.

Another option for the surface rust is bead blasting, which also takes off bluing. But it really gets rid of the rust in the pitting easily.
 
Electro-Tech from Franklin, IN might do what you want, but they are extremely expensive. They will deliver naked steel back to you. If money is no object, they will electroless-plate everything that I GUARANTEE will NEVER rust or corrode. Like I said, it's expensive. Depends on what you're willing to spend. They put a coating on the frame of my Hi-Power 10 years ago that is absolutely impervious to the elements or usage.
 
Your oil soak is probably a better way to get screws and jammed parts freed up that are rusted together than is something like the CocaCola rust removal method.
The Cola has phosphoric acid in it and that is what does the rust removal.
All sorts of weak acid brews can be used (vinegar for one) but they do about the same as the phosphoric acid types,,but sometimes slower.

Products especially made for rust removal that you buy in DIY stores usually have phosphoric acid in them.
They are good for surface rust but it doesn't penetrate very well. It'll leave stuck screws and mechanisms still stuck usually.

Some of the rust remover products 'passify' (sp?) rust down in pitting and in close fitting parts as in this case.
Meaning the rust is left down in there,,it's just chemicaly changed to a hard, inert substance so it stops rusting.
Good for stopping rust on the old iron railing work on the porch,,but not what you want here.

Kroil works well. The ATF you are using is often recommended as a penetrating oil.
There're lots of different penetrating oils on the market, they all claim to be the best. Every one of them is if it does the job you are currently working on of course.

Warm the parts up a little and then place them back into the ATF. A little heat can expand the metal and allow the oil to get down in between the parts and threads better.
By heat, I'm only talking boiling water temp,,200F or so. Just enough to expand and contract the metal. It won't damage anything, it's way below any heat treat temps of the metal. Hot salt bluing is done at 300F for example and spring temper draw is done at around 600/650F.

It's a slow process when you have them all bundled in rust like that, but carefully working them with proper screw drivers to tweek the screw loose, or even a touch tighter to break the rust and allow the oil to seep in will also help you get there.

A few educated light taps w/a plastic or other safe head mallet will help loosen things too. Don't over do it, you're not trying to move things as so much as vibrate parts to break the rust bond and allow the oil to seep in and do it's work.

Once every thing is completely apart, you can begin a process of complete rust removal on all surfaces but you don't have to be concerned about that yet.
 
50/50 mixture of ATF and Acetone
makes a better penetrating oil than
anything sold including the overpriced Kroll.
 
vinegar and a tooth brush, then clean very well. vinegar will eat steel over time. do not dunk and leave in for days. I saw a bicycle frame last week that was completely dissolved in vinegar after a year of soaking. I use it a lot, but I always keep my eyes on the progress and never forget fro more than a few minute. I'm sure an hour or two will do very little to the base metal but keep your eyes on it.
 
Do not soak for any extended time in coke, vinegar or any acidic liquid...it will remove the bluing also.

ATF is an oil and OK to soak in. I,m trying it myself right now. An old school rust soak is kerosene, also called coal oil. I had a pair of side cutters left out in my yard for a year or so...rusted, frozen to the to the max. Droped them in a pan of kerosene and let em soak for two or three months. Pulled them out , sharpened the cutting edge and I'm still using them after 15 years...didn't do anything but let them soak. and it left some kind of patina on them so they don't rust any more. I just ran out of kerosene when a bottle of ATF was discovered and tried...those parts are still in the soak.

The secrete to a light oil soak is give it plenty of time to penetrate, don't rush it let it penetrate into all the crevices.

Gary
 
Acetone? :confused: Holy #$%^ .....seriously volatile and highly flammable, not to mention super strong and evaporates REAL FAST leaving one heck of a smell....... I dunno.....

DR
 

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