S&W 22 WMR choice

[Old Navy]

I have been wanting another 22 magnum to go with my model 48 that has both cylinders and have given up on finding the rare and elusive Dan Wesson 22 Magnum and have started looking at new 351PD but not sure I would want a 2" or less barrel. I have spotted a 651 local that is like new with box, but not sure the $625 is realistic.

One thing I have always had a problem with in my M48 is the way it is finicky with ammo, as far as function goes. Winchester often fails to fire, Fiocchi has a sticking fired case problems caused by it being a slightly larger the other brands, however CCI runs through the gun without a hiccup and but runs almost $3 more then the two mentioned above.

 

[Old Navy]

I have been wanting another 22 magnum to go with my model 48 that has both cylinders and have given up on finding the rare and elusive Dan Wesson 22 Magnum and have started looking at new 351PD but not sure I would want a 2" or less barrel. I have spotted a 651 local that is like new with box, but not sure the $625 is realistic.

One thing I have always had a problem with in my M48 is the way it is finicky with ammo, as far as function goes. Winchester often fails to fire, Fiocchi has a sticking fired case problems caused by it being a slightly larger the other brands, however CCI runs through the gun without a hiccup and but runs almost $3 more then the two mentioned above.

 

[Ryan316]

Hold up a sec! You just described exactly the problem I have in my Model 351PD. The Winchester often fails to fire, the Remington has a sticking fired case problems, never tried the Fiocchi. But for me, the CCI has similar problems like with the Winchester. Did you ever get a gunsmith to look at it? I had mine tell me to bring it in as he believed it was light primer strikes. Does anyone else on here have any ideas?

 

[Wickahoney]

The first thing i, yes, $625 is realistic for a 651. I have a buddy that wants one and we've agreed on a trade for something he has.

I've been looking for about 4 years and I have seldom if ever seen a 651 go for less than $600.

One of these days I figure I'm just going to have to spend that if I really want to complete the trade.

I actually have a 51 I've had for years that I carry on my belt around the ranch quite often.

I also have several 48s. While I have a problem from revolver to revolver with accuracy and each seems to like something different than the others, I have NOT had the misfire issues you have had.

It does sound like the rim of the ammo might be harder and require a harder hammer strike. You do have the main spring adjusted all the way down? You also might try swapping off the spring from another "K" frame and trying it to see if it fires more reliably.

RWT

 

[toroflow1]

Yep, a 651 for $625 is a decent price. I sold one to a fellow forum member here a few months back for $595 + shipping.

 

[mnhntr]

heres my 648. it fires everything i have tried so far. hornady, cci, or winchester. have had 0 problems. the meprolight night sights are a great addition

 

[F16DCC]

Old Navy,

You sound like me- a fan of the .22 magnum round. I have a no dash model 48 and it's stainless twin- a model 648-1. Actually, the 651 is a j-frame, while the 648 is a K frame- if that matters.

Here is another reason why you will want a 648- they are hard to find. I finally found one with Cabelas. I had them ship the gun from Idaho to Arizona. Paid $395 for it- almost new condition. Anyway, they can be found, but they are not as common- especially a pre-lock model such as the 648 or 648-1.

I think you will love the gun if you are looking for more magnum pistols!

 

[Old Navy]

Originally posted by Ryan316:
Hold up a sec! You just described exactly the problem I have in my Model 351PD. The Winchester often fails to fire, the Remington has a sticking fired case problems, never tried the Fiocchi. But for me, the CCI has similar problems like with the Winchester. Did you ever get a gunsmith to look at it? I had mine tell me to bring it in as he believed it was light primer strikes. Does anyone else on here have any ideas?

Most likely a worn out cylinder from too much brass/bronze brush use or just poor cylinder quality spec's when made.

I have a DW in to Keith at DW for repair as I stated and hope to get it back with the old cylinder bored/reamed to magnum size. The DW 715 would be the best made 22 magnum ever sold and very few were made and are like finding a chicken with teeth.

I am only a fan of the 22 magnum in pistols and consider them a waste in rifles since a 222 or 22-250 will do it better and cheaper.

 

[JudgeColt]

Old Navy, my Colt Officers Model Match in .22WMR might argue with your claim that the Dan Wesson M715 is the best .22WMR revolver ever made.......

If you really want the best, look for one of the few hundred Officers Model Match Colts made in .22WMR. Then you can stop your search.

 

[Old Navy]

Originally posted by JudgeColt:
Old Navy, my Colt Officers Model Match in .22WMR might argue with your claim that the Dan Wesson M715 is the best .22WMR revolver ever made.......

If you really want the best, look for one of the few hundred Officers Model Match Colts made in .22WMR. Then you can stop your search.

It is more then just accuracy it is how the gun is made, tensioned barrel that can be removed for better cleaning and then the barrel cylinder gap is adjustable and built on a frame the size almost of a N frame S&W, has a smooth short DA and a single action that S&W find hard to match. My DW 744 made in Monson will measure same B&C gap on all 6 chambers with only a .0003" variation and I have never seen a Colt or S&W do that.

My other DW's are the same way, no real variation one any cylinders.

Also I can strip a DW down to empty frame and stripped down cylinder assembly then put it all back to gather in about 15 minutes.
Try that with a S&W or Colt. Here is picture of my DW 357 broken down for cleaning.

 

[CS]

Love my 651 never had a missfire.

 

[JudgeColt]

I too like Dan Wesson revolvers, but, I know Colt and Smith & Wesson revolvers, Colt and Smith & Wesson revolvers are friends of mine, and Dan Wesson, you are no Colt or Smith & Wesson revolver!

If it is not about accuracy, it surely is NOT about how easy it is to disassemble the gun.

By the way, I CAN take apart a Colt completely and reassemble it in fifteen minutes.

 

[Old Navy]

Originally posted by JudgeColt:
I too like Dan Wesson revolvers, but, I know Colt and Smith & Wesson revolvers, Colt and Smith & Wesson revolvers are friends of mine, and Dan Wesson, you are no Colt or Smith & Wesson revolver!

If it is not about accuracy, it surely is NOT about how easy it is to disassemble the gun.

By the way, I CAN take apart a Colt completely and reassemble it in fifteen minutes.

Hahahhahaha!!!! That's a pretty good come back, too bad it not completely accurate. Since I have a S&W or two and having had a few Colt's over the years. There is no way they are eaier to disassemble, reassemble, or any more accurate. All have their draw backs, S&W are beautiful works of art, Colt's are 1911 and SAA, nothing else was worth the hype. But DW were rather clunky looking like Colt Revo's, but wow no other revolvers had the the engineering or the accuracy. Too bad they didn't have a better looking revolver or they would be the top dog of todays revolver world.

 

[Wickahoney]

The only experience I ever had with DW revolvers was years ago when I shot ISHMA.

Yes, they were very accurate. Yes, the barrels could be changed. Yes you could adjust the BC gapo yourself.

They also looked like clubs and I can tell you that DW sent smiths to all the major shoots to keep the DWs running. Subtle little things like the swaged on extracor star falling off in the middle of a match. Guns locking up etc.

In the same time frame I had zero problems with my S&W Model 29-2 and my S&W Model 57. Just as well because S&W sure a He... didn't send any smiths or provide any help or support.

I shot in a match where the first place prize was a DW. The guy that won it had nevr placed higher than 8th before. ;-)

I do however hope you find your dream gun. Everybody deserves at least that.

the best

Ross

 

[JudgeColt]

Colt's are 1911 and SAA, nothing else was worth the hype.

With your permission, I am going to post this quote over on the Colt forum so that the fools who have been paying thousands for Colt double action revolvers of one kind or another will learn that they have been duped and will quit it. I am sure I speak for those poor souls when I say, thank you for that enlightenment.

 

[BlackAgnes]

JudgeColt--

I have M48s and a M51 S&W--but my favorite .22 Magnum is my Officer's Model Match--by a wide margin!

Tim

 

[JudgeColt]

BlackAnges, before being enlightened by Old Navy, I would have complemented you on your excellent taste in revolvers, but now I have learned that such revolvers are not worth the hype. How was I to know? Was there a memo? If so, I missed it. I assume you feel the fool as I do now. I wonder how I will get rid of all of my over-hyped revolvers? Surely there is no market for guns not worth the hype, and scrap metal prices have plunged too. What to do?

While waiting for the scrap metal price to rebound, I will pass the time by wondering what kind of a rear sight is on your OMM. It does not look factory to me. (Mine has the standard Accro.) What is it?

Further I will wonder if the medallions in your stocks are gold or silver. They look silver in the picture, but it may be misleading. Are your stock medallions gold or silver in color? Mine are gold.

 

[BlackAgnes]

Judge-- the medallions on my stocks are silver.

The rear sight is an optional (I recall?) Colt "Elliason" which I added years ago--it was supposedly superior to the Colt Accro sight. Of course, I kept the original!

My wife gave me this OMM as a wedding present in 1975. Her excellent taste in all things persists to the present day....

Tim

 

[RAMS]

So, gentlemen, what size groups ARE you getting from those accurate .22 Mags?