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S&W 317...my ultimate Critter Gitter ... Redux
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Love it!
I'm a big 317 fan and like the way you have yours setup. Had my 3" out a week or so ago. Am still impressed how well it shoots.
Also have a 1 7/8" m317 which has been my pocket gun while wearing hip surgery recovery attire (loose shorts with elastic waistband). Only thing that doesn't pull pants down around ankles. Certainly not the best defense gun, but makes me feel better.
Paul
I'm a big 317 fan and like the way you have yours setup. Had my 3" out a week or so ago. Am still impressed how well it shoots.
Also have a 1 7/8" m317 which has been my pocket gun while wearing hip surgery recovery attire (loose shorts with elastic waistband). Only thing that doesn't pull pants down around ankles. Certainly not the best defense gun, but makes me feel better.
Paul
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Very nice. Great gun stand, I may have to try making one like that.
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I would probably just fence the garden but your plan sounds like more fun.
Kernel Crittenden
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Don't see too many J-frames with optics. Who made the base?
Triggernosis
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I'll bet the optics weigh as much as the 317. I had a 317 and couldn't hit schit with it.
BTW, what's the street price of those Burris FF's?
BTW, what's the street price of those Burris FF's?
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You'd lose the bet. 
S&W lists the gun weight at 11.7 ounces. The Crimson Trace laser grips probably weigh more than the factory grips. Even if not, the mount and FF3 can't weigh even 3 ounces combined, since this entire pkg is 14 ounces.
The mount is sold here in the classifieds and on EBay for <$40. It's superbly made and worth every penny. It's made to be a drop-in fit on any K,L,N frame whose sight channel is rounded in front and top strap factory drilled and tapped.
It can be fit to a J-frame (as well as any old style K,L or N) by anybody you'd trust to drill and tap two holes in the top strap. If they can do that, they can narrow the rail tenon on the bottom and shorten the vertical section at the rear. Less than an hour's work. The maker did all the heavy lifting with the excellent machining to mate the sight to the base.
Search Ebay for an FF3 for <$200. Distinguishing features are the on/off switch, easy access battery, great sight adjustments and dot-intensity choices.
Shameless plug: the custom display stands can also be found here in the classifieds.
S&W lists the gun weight at 11.7 ounces. The Crimson Trace laser grips probably weigh more than the factory grips. Even if not, the mount and FF3 can't weigh even 3 ounces combined, since this entire pkg is 14 ounces.
The mount is sold here in the classifieds and on EBay for <$40. It's superbly made and worth every penny. It's made to be a drop-in fit on any K,L,N frame whose sight channel is rounded in front and top strap factory drilled and tapped.
It can be fit to a J-frame (as well as any old style K,L or N) by anybody you'd trust to drill and tap two holes in the top strap. If they can do that, they can narrow the rail tenon on the bottom and shorten the vertical section at the rear. Less than an hour's work. The maker did all the heavy lifting with the excellent machining to mate the sight to the base.
Search Ebay for an FF3 for <$200. Distinguishing features are the on/off switch, easy access battery, great sight adjustments and dot-intensity choices.
Shameless plug: the custom display stands can also be found here in the classifieds.
what ammo???
revolver_ph
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You'd lose the bet.
S&W lists the gun weight at 11.7 ounces. The Crimson Trace laser grips probably weigh more than the factory grips. Even if not, the mount and FF3 can't weigh even 3 ounces combined, since this entire pkg is 14 ounces.
The mount is sold here in the classifieds and on EBay for <$40. It's superbly made and worth every penny. It's made to be a drop-in fit on any K,L,N frame whose sight channel is rounded in front and top strap factory drilled and tapped.
It can be fit to a J-frame (as well as any old style K,L or N) by anybody you'd trust to drill and tap two holes in the top strap. If they can do that, they can narrow the rail tenon on the bottom and shorten the vertical section at the rear. Less than an hour's work. The maker did all the heavy lifting with the excellent machining to mate the sight to the base.
Search Ebay for an FF3 for <$200. Distinguishing features are the on/off switch, easy access battery, great sight adjustments and dot-intensity choices.
Shameless plug: the custom display stands can also be found here in the classifieds.
Good looking and shooting kit.
Nice mods to a great mount
DocB
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That used to be such a hard gun to find. I gave up and settled for a pair of Kit Guns (one 2 inch and one 4 inch) a little over a year ago. Every LGS I went into said they hadn't been able to get a 317 in over a year. If I saw one out for sale today, I would probably buy it.
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To date....Remington Golden Bullet HP's. For this gun I'm only interested in high to hyper velocity HP's.
The most accurate 22LR hunting ammo I've ever tested is Lapua/SK's high velocity HP's advertised at ~1250 fps. They've been unbeatable in several rifles and a couple of pistols (1963 Browning Challenger and newer Buckmark). This is the first revolver I've tested them in and I was stunned that it prefers the Rems to the SK. With Walmart awash in 22 ammo again, I just bought some Win & CCI HP's to test.
Kernel Crittenden
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It's funny no one makes an optics base for J-frames. At best you gotta whittle down a base sized for the rear sight channel of a K/L/N frame. Time and frustration, or cost you money if you pay a gunsmith to do it.
When you think of all the kit type guns that might benefit from a good scope base. Longer barrel guns appropriate for plinking and hunting small game. Like the 4-inch Model 34/63's (there's a million of them) and the 3 and 5-inch Model 60's.
Guys like me with not so great eyesight might buy a few and put some dot sights on those handy little guns. Sounds like the OP sure likes his.
When you think of all the kit type guns that might benefit from a good scope base. Longer barrel guns appropriate for plinking and hunting small game. Like the 4-inch Model 34/63's (there's a million of them) and the 3 and 5-inch Model 60's.
Guys like me with not so great eyesight might buy a few and put some dot sights on those handy little guns. Sounds like the OP sure likes his.
Phish
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That is a sweet looking 317! May have to pick up one.
revolver_ph
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UPDATE: A kind fellow has offered to help with the mount design.
I would be interested in adding an adjustable rear sight model J-frame mount to my mount offerings (Raptor Engineering). Problem is I do not have an example revolver to make measurements from and to do the prototype fittings. I would love to have a 317 to keep my 617 company but current funds are otherwise spoken for -- kid #2 transferring from local JC to out of state 4-year college in Jan!
If someone with an adjustable rear sight J-frame model would like to work with me to get the design done they would get a free mount. I have done this with others for the Freedom Arms and Buck Mark mounts I offer and it worked out well for each of us.
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I thought this was pretty cool.
Over the years, I've played with BB caps, CB caps, CB longs, Subsonics, etc. in 22's and never been impressed.
I mentioned earlier my Walmart is heavy on 22 ammo, so I picked up some CCI & Win hp's; even some 22 short hp's since I hadn't seen them in years. As a kid we shot shorts because they were 25 cents/box cheaper. In recent years they seem to have become a boutique item. I shot them up today, along with this CCI "Quiet-22" ammo. I was amazed that it edged out all the others for accuracy @ 50 feet. That's a hair under 1.5" for 8 shots and I did it twice from a rest...no fluke.
I also ran them all over the chronograph at 10 ft. The Quiet-22 is advertised @ 710 fps ( from a rifle no doubt) and I got 586 fps. That sure sounds wimpy, but my .17 pellet rifle launches a 7.9 grain pellet @ 650 fps and hammers starlings with a whopping 7 ft-lbs of muzzle energy.
This 40 gr bullet @ 586 fps generates 4 times that. That'll be overkill....may have to dedicate it to red squirrels.
Over the years, I've played with BB caps, CB caps, CB longs, Subsonics, etc. in 22's and never been impressed.
I mentioned earlier my Walmart is heavy on 22 ammo, so I picked up some CCI & Win hp's; even some 22 short hp's since I hadn't seen them in years. As a kid we shot shorts because they were 25 cents/box cheaper. In recent years they seem to have become a boutique item. I shot them up today, along with this CCI "Quiet-22" ammo. I was amazed that it edged out all the others for accuracy @ 50 feet. That's a hair under 1.5" for 8 shots and I did it twice from a rest...no fluke.
I also ran them all over the chronograph at 10 ft. The Quiet-22 is advertised @ 710 fps ( from a rifle no doubt) and I got 586 fps. That sure sounds wimpy, but my .17 pellet rifle launches a 7.9 grain pellet @ 650 fps and hammers starlings with a whopping 7 ft-lbs of muzzle energy.
This 40 gr bullet @ 586 fps generates 4 times that. That'll be overkill....may have to dedicate it to red squirrels.
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This is even cooler...
I bought some of these "segmented hollowpoints" in the same "quiet" load.
I wanted to see 1) whether the accuracy might equal the solids I mentioned previously and 2) whether this segmented HP could really do anything at less than 600 fps muzzle velocity. I was excited to find "Yes!" to both questions.
I set up 3 one-gallon milk jugs and shot into them @ 30 feet. The slug separated into 3 pieces and didn't exit the jug. That means 100% energy transfer...all 30 ft-lbs of it
I bought some of these "segmented hollowpoints" in the same "quiet" load.
I wanted to see 1) whether the accuracy might equal the solids I mentioned previously and 2) whether this segmented HP could really do anything at less than 600 fps muzzle velocity. I was excited to find "Yes!" to both questions.
I set up 3 one-gallon milk jugs and shot into them @ 30 feet. The slug separated into 3 pieces and didn't exit the jug. That means 100% energy transfer...all 30 ft-lbs of it
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What are you using for a sight base? Who made it?
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We talked about the base earlier in the thread ... check it out.
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Have you found a holster for that? That does look like a good trail gun concept that you could actually hit small game with and is lightweight. Best of both worlds for a Trail Gun for long hiking/backpacking adventures.
Oh, & how loud are the CCI Quiets out of that 3"?
I've found that the short barrel .22's (especially revolvers) didn't do well back when I was shooting the CCI CB Longs. They did great out of a rifle though. I have one of my Charter Arms Survival Rifles sighted in for CCI CB Longs and it sounds like a pellet gun & groups well at 10-15yrds. Have to manually cycle rds. though- no biggie. This would certainly carry better and pretty much do the same thing.
Oh, & how loud are the CCI Quiets out of that 3"?
I've found that the short barrel .22's (especially revolvers) didn't do well back when I was shooting the CCI CB Longs. They did great out of a rifle though. I have one of my Charter Arms Survival Rifles sighted in for CCI CB Longs and it sounds like a pellet gun & groups well at 10-15yrds. Have to manually cycle rds. though- no biggie. This would certainly carry better and pretty much do the same thing.
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