I picked up this gun(new) in August 2010 ran about 1500 rounds through it (using CCI standard velocity). some of the problems: stove piping, more often than not it will not discharge chambered round, and that round has to be removed manually, at times the slide does not fully cycle(space of a thumb nail between slide and receiver) and last but not least the firing pin block moves side to side. needless to say for the money spent I'm not impressed with the craftsmanship. This gun is back in the hands of s&w. I'm not sure if this gun when performing up to it's rep will out shoot my 617.I hope I'm wrong.