New model 41 Performance edition FTFire

[Oldsalt66]

Yup - I agree, there are only a handful of M41's that don't work well with CCI standard velocity 40 grain target ammo. If that ammo isn't cutting it - I'd call Smith and arrange to send it in.

While I have no scientific evidence of this, it does seem like the PC guns are much more problematic than the regular standard line over the last decade. At least that's what it seems like after reading a plethora of posts here on the Forum. Hmmmm, that seems counter intuitive to me! Spend more money and get an inferior pistol!

Midway is asking $110 more for the standard model than for the PC version.

 

[Baltimoreed11754]

Love my 1990s M41. It was a safe queen for far too long, what was I thinking. I feed it 36 gr Federal bulk box for ZSA 2gun shoots. Modified a few mags to 12 rds. Has a buffer in it. Picked up a 7 inch barrel for it too. I save my cci sv for my Model52.

 

[gwpercle]

A Shop that can do wonders with a model 41 is

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A reliability package and a target trigger job ...
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Gary

 

[Rick H.]

I would be shocked if S&W or any decent firearms manufacturer doesn't test fire a pistol or rifle before it goes out the door. Huge liability issues if they don't, but test firing isn't an accuracy test. Even an accuracy test can be colored to favor the builder. There are no standards in what distance an accuracy test must be conducted, so the builder can claim good accuracy at any distance. It's up to the builder if they want to supply a "test target" to prove accuracy but many times there is no distance noted on the test target, so the test target is worthless. IMHO every firearm should come with a test target regardless of what the firearm is used for. Would it add expense to the price of the firearm? Yes it would, but it would keep the manufacturer honest. And during that test the firearm should perform as expected. If it doesn't it should go back for inspection and rework. Unfortunately this is probably never done and more importantly my guess is many firearms are passed thru that should be sent back for correction.

I recall two firearms I owned that I bought brand new that came with great looking test targets. One was an Anschutz 2013 and another was a Kimber Hunter .22. In all the time I owned both rifles I was never able to come close to duplicating those targets when I shot the rifles. What I never did find out was at what distance were those test targets fired at and with what ammunition as that information was conveniently left off the targets. For all I know those test targets could have been shot at 5 yards. So I put no faith at all in test targets. There really should be some industry standards though for testing a firearm for function before it leaves the factory or builder. It would certainly take care of a lot of problems people encounter.

Rick H.

 

[SonofaGunsmith]

Test targets

I would be shocked if S&W or any decent firearms manufacturer doesn't test fire a pistol or rifle before it goes out the door. Huge liability issues if they don't, but test firing isn't an accuracy test. Even an accuracy test can be colored to favor the builder. There are no standards in what distance an accuracy test must be conducted, so the builder can claim good accuracy at any distance. It's up to the builder if they want to supply a "test target" to prove accuracy but many times there is no distance noted on the test target, so the test target is worthless. IMHO every firearm should come with a test target regardless of what the firearm is used for. Would it add expense to the price of the firearm? Yes it would, but it would keep the manufacturer honest. And during that test the firearm should perform as expected. If it doesn't it should go back for inspection and rework. Unfortunately this is probably never done and more importantly my guess is many firearms are passed thru that should be sent back for correction.

I recall two firearms I owned that I bought brand new that came with great looking test targets. One was an Anschutz 2013 and another was a Kimber Hunter .22. In all the time I owned both rifles I was never able to come close to duplicating those targets when I shot the rifles. What I never did find out was at what distance were those test targets fired at and with what ammunition as that information was conveniently left off the targets. For all I know those test targets could have been shot at 5 yards. So I put no faith at all in test targets. There really should be some industry standards though for testing a firearm for function before it leaves the factory or builder. It would certainly take care of a lot of problems people encounter.

Rick H.

Your post is confusing, you have no regard for a test target but assert every gun should come with one. You assert things about manufacturers without evidence. I don't see anythiing in your post about the subject, model 41 ftf. Can't compare rifle test targets to pistols. Model 41 barrel bores are button honed and are well known for 0.800" groups @50

 

[Baltimoreed11754]

‘industry standards for testing a firearm for function before it leaves the factory.’ is what he says.

 

[SonofaGunsmith]

Industry standards

‘industry standards for testing a firearm for function before it leaves the factory.’ is what he says.

So lets speak to the standards, not assert there are none.

 

[Rowlf]

European competition pistols and rifles will have a test target for the competition they are built for. 10 meters for Air Pistol, 25 meters for Sport and Rapid Fire Pistol, and 50 meters for 50 Meter Pistol. A 50 Meter rifle will have a 50 meter target.

And yes, the manufacturer will select ammo that makes a good target.

 

[Rick H.]

In short ,my comments were directed at three things:

1. I would be surprised if a firearm wasn't test fired for function before it leaves the manufacturer. This is a most important test as it proves that the firearm functions, but at what point does the firearm get sent back for re-work if it doesn't function correctly and how many test rounds are fired thru it? One failure in 5 rounds, two failures in 5 rounds? Or if all 5 rounds go off, regardless of if they cleared the gun, is it passed and sent to the dealer? If one believes what is written and in my case with my PC M41, I had a problem before I completed firing 2 shots after receiving my pistol. Clearly the problem should have shown up in any test firing situation at the factory, unless they only fired one round and said it was good to go.

2. A test target that used to be included with many firearms doesn't tell you much if it doesn't tell you what distance it was shot at and with what ammunition.

3.) If a firearm had a test target with it was it to prove accuracy or a simple target to show the firearm had been test fired. Walther PPK's used to come with a test target as well as some other pistols. Some noted the distance the pistol was shot at and some did not. Anschutz rifles used to come with test targets, but there was no information included on how the test target was fired. If you have no information on how the test target was fired you basically had a piece of paper with holes in it.

As Rowlf stated, the Europeans have a standard for testing target pistols and rifles, but do we have such a standard here in the USA?

Rick H.