S&W GOVERNOR

IF YOU ARE LOADING UP FOR S/D, WHY ARE YOU LOADING A COUPLE OF ROUNDS OF .410 ? ? ? YOU ARE NOT LOOKING TO DISPATCH GARDEN PESTS. IF YOU HIT AN ASSAILANT WITH THAT SHOTGUN LOAD, AND HE IS WEARING A HEAVY LEATHER JACKET, OR IS HIGH ON DRUGS, ETC, YOU MAY JUST ANNOY HIM......

IF YOU HIT HIM CENTER MASS, WITH A FEW ROUNDS OF JHP, IN .45 COLT, OR .45 ACP, YOU WILL RUIN HIS DAY---NO MATTER WHAT ! ! !
How about these loads?

Winchester PDX1, .410 Gauge, 2 1/2" Shells, Self Defense Discs, 10 Rounds - 186461, 410 Gauge Shells at Sportsman's Guide


Hornady Critical Defense, .410 Gauge, 2 1/2", FTX Slug, 20 Rounds - 234266, 410 Gauge Shells at Sportsman's Guide

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I did a couple of rounds of the Hornady Critical Defense slug and two balls while at the range today, I can't shoot anything smaller than 00 buck due to the bullet trap will just bounce it back. At 25 yards the slug hit dead center of the target, one ball dropped about 8 inches and to the left near the edge of the target, the third ball was in the bottom right corner of the target. At 15 yards the slug and two balls were within a foot of each other.
 
Due to the context of this thread I am assuming you were using a Smith & Wesson Governor or something comparable. When you are speaking of self-defense situations, I don't usually think of shooting at 25 yards or even 15 yards, but more like 5 yards. At 5 yards I would imagine the ammo you are describing which I have also, would be extremely accurate and do significant damage.

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Had one, sold it, kick got too much for this olde geezer. Used it with .410 self-defense bedside. Last year had banging on my door at 0200...took it with me - bunch of drunk kids had the wrong apartment - sure sounded like they were trying to force entry. I came out with it hanging at my side - they saw it right away and took off running back to their car....looked like a comedy with them all trying to dive in at once - then dug out as fast as they could accelerate their old junker ride. Its looks carry a message. Had it as a bedside revolver.
 
I'm amazed that any .410 revolver sells. I agree that it's a novelty item rather than to be taken seriously. When loaded with .410 shells the revolver isn't a superior stopper over a conventional .45 Colt or .45 ACP revolver so the overlong cylinder is a waste of space. The ungainly things have no reason for being other than as a toy. I admire the occasional honest owners who freely admit that it's a novelty and a toy. Snake gun? Hit snakes with a shovel, hoe, rock or a stick. How hard is this?
 
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There are a couple purposes for my Governor for me, first it is a moderately fun gun at the range not as much as the 460V but more fun than the 686. The second is that I ride a recumbent trike on shared use trails, one of those trails was recently extended and now runs threw an area that has had mountain lions spotted the last several years. I plan on having it with me in those areas with a couple 410s with rubber buck shot in the cylinder. I figure the noise and stinging balls should be enough to convince one to look elsewhere with minimal risk to the surroundings. But, before that I need to take it to the outside range in town and verify the shot drop off, pattern and effective range with various shot shells.
 
I used my Governor for home defense. Loaded with .410 self-defense ammo. The pattern of the shot and discs on cardboard seemed quite effective - particularly for a head shot. Living in a 4 plex apartment with thin walls it seemed a wise choice of ammo to avoid hurting innocent neighbors if something happened. When I got too olde to manage a second shot well I sold the Governor and bought a Mossberg Cruiser pump shotgun in .410 (had the 12 gauge cruiser and it was a bit too much recoil at my age). I'm very confident .410 self-defense loads will do the job in my apartment defense setting.
And, as mentioned above, the large size of the Governor makes evil ones take notice and reconsider.
 
I find it sort of amusing that it has been 12 years since the Taurus Judge was released and nearly a decade since ammo manufacturers starting coming out with specialty ammo that has been proven effective in a number of videos against a wide variety of targets including animals where are much tougher to stop than even a drugged up human being, yet still we have ignorant folks who make silly comments like calling it a "toy" and calling .410 Revolvers useless for self-defense.

First of all, anyone who calls a firearm a "toy" automatically loses an argument in my book because anybody who calls something as hazardous as a firearm a "toy" probably shouldn't own one in the first place. I don't care if it's an intentional exaggeration on their part either, guns aren't toys, and anybody who calls a gun a toy (even as an exaggeration) is a fool.

Second, folks who make bold proclamations on subjects they clearly lack any experience in whatsoever ought to keep their mouths shut, especially in regards to subjects as serious as life or death when it comes to selecting a firearm for self-defense. I've seen too many folks get scared away from using .410 Revolvers by people who know nothing about them yet still somehow feel qualified to comment on their effectiveness.
If you can't be bothered to do research on a subject before commenting on it, then perhaps you should at least look up the definition of the following term; Dunning-Kruger Effect. (Ah, but then again, I'm talking to the same people who couldn't even be bothered to click on the video I linked to, so copy/pasting is likely way above their capabilities...)

Lastly, I hear a lot of folks in regards to a variety of firearms immediately label any firearm with limited range as "useless" even when said range is well within the distances in which one would likely find themselves needing to fire, (especially in Home Defense) yet apparently these people must live inside houses the size of football fields and believe that they'd be able to justify shooting someone from 30+ yards away.
Once again, if you'd actually bother doing even the most basic of research, you would find that specialty loads such as Federal Premium .410 Handgun 000 Buck uses Federal's Flight Control wad which enables the shot to hold a tight pattern out to 20 yards, which is well in excess of any distance one would likely find themselves needing to fire their gun, especially in the Home/Vehicle Defense scenarios these weapons were designed for.
 
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They are over large: that huge cylinder necessitated to take 410's makes an ungainly pistol. These are clumsy guns that can't realistically be carried much farther than from the car into the range. Certainly not a handy gun to carry.

The huge chamber throats to accommodate 410's is over sized for 45's of any sort. The long chambers for 410's have 45's rattling down an extraordinarily long unrifled tunnel to get to the barrel and some rifling. This results in significant velocity loss in the only useful ammo available for the gun: 45's - lc or acp.

The shotgun application is useful for shooting pests at arms length , but so is a 22 pistol. And the 22 is useful at longer ranges.

410's are marginal in a shotgun: experts' application but not a good choice for much of anything. Folks who are knowledgeable shooters understand this.

The Governor does nothing well. A 1911 is a much handier platform for a 45, any 22 pistol is a better varnimt gun. The shotgun application is a joke in a stumpy revolver.

Do you think it would be able to chamber a .460 S&W Magnum..........asking for a friend:D
 
Well, I'd hate to get hit by this:
410 Bore Federal 000 buckshot - YouTube

Average Dunning-Kruger Response: "I'll remember that when I get attacked by a block of Gelatin, but what's it do in people?! I don't trust FBI Ballistics Gel Tests because although I have made no attempt at researching such testing to verify its integrity, I'm just arrogant enough to think that I know better than the entirety of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and thus I'm willing to immediately disregard the results of a test that has been in service since the 1980's on the grounds that I disagree with it, plus it conflicts with my preconceived notions of the .410 Bore Shotshell's effectiveness, ergo it must be wrong."

Sadly, no amount of video evidence will ever satisfy the nay-sayers, much less sway them from their belief that .410 Revolvers are anything more than a Novelty firearm.
 
To answer Cajunlawer's question no, a 460 will only go about half way in, I had to check since the question was asked.
 
For another opinion on the topic of .410 revolvers generally:

The .410 revolver is one of few firearms which incite such conflicting opinions, also being about the only firearm for which the more stridently its defenders enthusiastically champion it and its performance features then the less truly gun savvy they appear to be.

I've fired .410 handguns and handled .410 revolvers. .410 out of a short-barreled handgun is unremarkable. I've yet to see any convincing article, test, YouTube clip, or even a bombastic forum post that convincingly proved that the .410 revolver could even best this 118-year-old Colt New Service Model 1909 in .45 Colt for personal defense and the big ol' Colt is the better handling gun.



Only one opinion (which was requested by the original poster).
 
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I've seen the damage that the Triple defense does to Badgers when shot. That's all the evidence I need and the governor serves me greatly.

Don't really give a flying **** if people want to hate on it as if they own stock with Smith. Don't like it? Don't buy it. Simple as that.

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Don't get me wrong, I'm by no means pushing .410 Revolvers as the pinnacle of defensive firearms. If someone wants to make a reasonable statement such as that there are (subjectively) better options for Home, Vehicle, and Wilderness Defense, then you'll get no argument from me. Obviously there are more powerful firearms/ammunition out there that will outperform a .410 Revolver in just about every conceivable category, (power, accuracy, capacity, you name it) the .410 Revolver is a sort of jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none firearm that gives you a lot of versatility at the cost of specializing in any specific category.
However, when folks start making absurdly ignorant comments about it being an extremely ineffective novelty gun or especially a toy, that's when I lose my patience.

Can a .410 Revolver match a 12 Gauge Shotgun? Absolutely not, a 12 Gauge Shotgun generally holds more ammo, fires at least 3 more projectiles per shell, and will cause significantly more damage.
Can a .410 Revolver still be an effective defensive firearm? Absolutely so, it's smaller/lighter than any 12 Gauge Shotgun, thus making it much easier to store nearby as well as maneuver around in the dark with, plus it still packs a heck of a punch when using specialty ammo like Federal .410 Handgun 000, which launches 4 (5 in 3" shells) non-expanding .36 caliber (9mm) projectiles per trigger pull, travelling at about 850FPS. These projectiles typically get somewhere between 12-17" of penetration in FBI calibrated Ballistics Gel, and typically generate around 115Ft-lbs of energy each, thus making it the rough equivalent of being shot 4 (5 with 3" shells) times at once with a .32 ACP. Granted that the .32 ACP is generally considered to be below the bare minimum of self-defense cartridges, it has still stopped plenty of attackers with a 2 shot average, and a single Federal .410 Handgun 000 gives you at least double that amount of shots. That may not be outstanding, but is most certainly isn't something that anyone should consider a toy, and if they do, they they probably shouldn't own a firearm, or children for that matter.

In all honesty, a .410 Handgun wasn't my first choice for Home Defense, I simply choice it later down the line because it was the best option for me in my current living situation. My first choice was the tried and true 12 Gauge Pump-Action Shotgun, but as time went by I realized that it wasn't the best choice for me because I lacked the necessary accommodations to safely store even a Mossberg 590 Shockwave nearby in an easily accessible location, much less maneuver around in the dark, cramped hallway/stairwell in my home at night, so I ultimately chose the Taurus Judge Magnum because I could safely store it right at my bedside where it could be grabbed at a moment's notice, not to mention easily maneuvered around inside my home, yet offered a much higher percentage of a one-shot-stop (or at least more wound cavities per shot) than any other handgun.
 
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Along with the 410 capability we shouldn't forget that it also shoots Hefty 45 Long Colt rounds as well as 45 ACP. Like has been mentioned, the versatility of this revolver is one of its assets. If one thinks that a 45 Long Colt is not a good self defense round for home you are very mistaken.

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Good shooting! I always shoot double action, its probably how a person would shoot for SD. Well s&w has my governor, hopes to get it back soon.

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I'm getting my Governor back tomorrow via FedEx two day shipping. I called Smith & Wesson to ask what repairs they did on it and they told me they replaced the firing pin, mainspring, and yoke. I am expecting that the light strike issues will be cleared up with those three items. What I can't understand is how this revolver made it this far without the issues resolved in the first place? I I am really fond of Smith & Wesson revolvers, and this one I also like, but it is interesting they had to do extensive repairs to get this thing tuned up.

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I'm glad to hear your Governor will be back to you tomorrow. Have fun at the range with it and let us know how it shoots after it's trip back from the mothership.

As for the Governor itself, it isn't a gun I would buy but I think it is a great choice for some folks that want something handy that can shoot either a shotgun shell or pistol cartridge. Different strokes for different folks. :)
 
I got her back yesterday and it looks like it is in fine shape. The repair sheet said they replaced the firing pin, the main spring, and repaired the yoke. Not sure what they meant by repairing the yoke, but maybe a spacer in there somewhere to change the cylinder spacing between it and the firing pin bushing. I won't be able to give it a test run until this Friday but I expect it to work just fine now. It still amazes me how much work had to be done on a new revolver to get it into shape. I've heard it mentioned several times that it's a good thing to send a new revolver back in for service because they look it over from top to bottom and give it a good tune-up. I guess quality control only goes so far on new firearms.

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I've seen the damage that the Triple defense does to Badgers when shot. That's all the evidence I need and the governor serves me greatly.

Don't really give a flying **** if people want to hate on it as if they own stock with Smith. Don't like it? Don't buy it. Simple as that.

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Badgers? Did someone say badgers??????
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I just got back from the shooting range and I put the governor through it spaces, and it passed with flying colors. I had four different 410 self defense shotshells that I ran through it and they all work perfectly. There wasn't a sign of any weakness in the gun at all. I also loaded up some pretty strong 45 Colt rounds last night and shot them with great success. Strangely, one of my favorite rounds I shot through the revolver today was 45 Auto in the moon clips. I find it very comfortable to shoot, and it was much more accurate than I expected. Although, the best part of the 45 Auto was the moon clips and how easy they were to load in, eject, and reload, making it a strong choice for self-defense. As I mentioned earlier Smith & Wesson replaced the firing pin, the mainspring, and repaired the yoke. All the repairs added up to a perfectly operating and reliable self defense gun in my opinion. This is heading in the direction of one of my favorite pistols I have.

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Last week I had the good fortune to shoot the Gov's distant cousin the Judge.
Comparing horseshoes and hand grenades, especially in this site

It was fun , for a short while , then it became ,meh???
If I were to own one , it would never leave the house , with the exception to go to the range. Sure it "could" be an adequate nightstand gun, but personally I would prefer a Mossberg Shockwave.
 
I don't scoff at the idea of having any firearm for self/home defense. Although the governor would be my last choice as a carry gun due to it's large frame. Kinda harder to conceal compared to a J frame. That's my only beef with it.
 
Last week I had the good fortune to shoot the Gov's distant cousin the Judge.
Comparing horseshoes and hand grenades, especially in this site

It was fun , for a short while , then it became ,meh???
If I were to own one , it would never leave the house , with the exception to go to the range. Sure it "could" be an adequate nightstand gun, but personally I would prefer a Mossberg Shockwave.

I actually was considering both the Judge and Shockwave for Home Defense last year, but ultimately chose the Judge because I couldn't find a safe way to store the Shockwave by my bedside, and although the Shockwave is relatively short at a total of 26" long, I still had concerns about maneuvering around with it in some of the more cramped quarters in my home, not to mention concerns about the ability (or lack thereof) to fire it one-handed if the need should arise, so ultimately the Judge won.

The Judge really isn't designed to be a concealed carry Revolver. There is a concealed carry version of the Judge called the Public Defender, but even in that configuration I wouldn't use it for concealed carry because there's just too much risk of collateral damage with .410 and if you're just going to load it with .45s then there are better options.
 
I have been shooting my governor quite a bit lately and finding the 45 ACP more accurate than I expected. At 21 feet I was keeping a silver dollar size hole in the Target without an issue. What is nice about the 45 ACP is the ease of loading and reloading with moon clips. The spent moon clip Falls right out and the reloaded moon clip slides right in quickly. I think too many people worry about power in a self-defense situation, especially in a house, where bullets could penetrate through walls into the next house or residence possibly hitting someone there. The most powerful round isn't necessarily the best round. I can load my 45 autos with mild rounds or strong rounds, however I choose. The 410 as well, depending on what load you choose, can be contained in your own house as well without the fear of going into the neighbor's house. Again, power isn't everything, it's only one aspect of self-defense. I could see me loading a couple rounds of number 4 shot, a couple rounds of ACP, and a couple rounds of colt to fill up the cylinder. I can also see me loading in just 45 Auto due to the ease of empty in the cylinder and filling it back up again.

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