S&W M&P 9mm fully jammed

[cyb593]

Hey guys, i am new to the forum. Thanks for your help in advance. My wife and i went shooting today at the firing range. We bought some cheap ammo (tulammo) from walmart. We usually buy federal, but as no one can keep it on the shelf, tulammo is all i could find. Big mistake, apparently, because this ammo jammed both my bersa thunder ultra compact and my smith and wesson m&p 9mm. I have never had the m&p jam on me. After every trip to the range, we clean and and lubricate it. I just got the Bersa not too long ago and this is the first time that the gun has been fired. The Bersa was cleaned and lubricated yesterday before we shot it. After around 50 shots through each one, we ran into a problem. Both guns jammed. I cant clear the round out of the M&P. I can't cock it but maybe a couple millimeters. I have tried looking it up on google and youtube; i can't find anyone else that has had this problem with any gun. As for the Bersa, i got it taken apart and finally got the bullet out and the primer is gone, but the bullet was not fired. After looking at the rounds that are left in the pack, some of the primers are dented in already. I am not sure if this matters or not. If anyone has had this problem or knows how to clear the round, then i would really appreciate your help.

 

[Defilade]

Well, this isn't going to help you, but.... One of my buddy's got a brand new M&P 40 and on his very first shot his gun locked up. He was also shooting Tula because that was all he could find. We couldn't get it opened at all. I told him to contact Smith and ship it back.

The M&P's must not like Tula ammo.

Sorry for your luck.

Wade

 

[trex1310]

You might try putting the pistol on the edge of a wooden table
where only the slide is in contact (not the barrel) and put your
weight on the pistol. This might cause the slide to retract.

Make sure the magazine is removed and no live rounds are in
the gun.

 

[Thiokol]

If the primer was blown, it's a sure bet that the case has expanded in the barrel throat. And, with the extractor engaged, it's going to be pretty hard to rack the slide back, but it can be done.

Drop the mag then give the slide a hard pull.

 

[Arik]

Sorry for your troubles. Ive been using tulammo for years and years with good results.

Drop the mag then pull hard.

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[Lost Lake]

After looking at the rounds that are left in the pack, some of the primers are dented in already. I am not sure if this matters or not.

Reloaded primers.... How cheap can they get?

 

[growr]

Once fired primers? Only on the internet.......

Randy

 

[cyb593]

I have tugged extremely hard on the slide back with all my force no luck. As for the the bullet inside the gun it could be live ammo i am not sure as i can barely see a piece of it. I can post pictures if that will help. Thanks for all the help i have received so far.

 

[PlainOleDave]

Sounds like U need a GUNSMITH. Someone who knows about 'Live Round Jams'. I just pictured U pulling on the slide while Ur wife taps the round outta the barrel and then I didn't like what I imagined next.

B safe and take it to a PRO.

 

[zamboni_driver]

Had this happen once on my M&P. push down on the barrel in the ejection port hard with your thumb and pull back on the slide with your other hand.

 

[rsrocket1]

I had a case jammed in my gun last week. The slide was locked up. I used a brass rod and a hammer to get the slide to open and extract the case. A couple of light taps did nothing, then a medium tap opened it up and drove the case out of the chamber. No harm seen anywhere and 200 more rounds this week shot with no ill effects. I guess it just emulated firing a round with the additional help of driving the case out of the chamber with the rod rather than trying to pull it out with the extractor.

Proceed with caution only if you don't want to take it to a gunsmith which is the recommended option.

Edit: If you have a live round in the chamber, ignore this post. Take it to a gunsmith. By all means do not try to drive out a live bullet with a rod. I read a post where some idiot rangemaster tried to drive the bullet out with a rod, then told the guy to shoot it. Blew the mag out of the gun (no surprise). No harm to him other than a sore hand. Fortunately the gun was OK too, but he was given bad advice.

 

[M29since14]

You might try putting the pistol on the edge of a wooden table
where only the slide is in contact (not the barrel) and put your
weight on the pistol. This might cause the slide to retract.

Make sure the magazine is removed and no live rounds are in
the gun.

Try that. Please be EXTREMELY careful. Keep your finger off the trigger and take every precaution in case the worst happens. At minimum keep your legs and feet clear and wear eye and ear protection and a heavy pair of leather gloves. You shouldn't need any of that, but it never hurts to be extra cautious in a case like this.

I understand that quality ammunition can be hard to find right now but please remember that cheap ammo that puts you at risk is no bargain. Better to pass on a trip to the range than risk your safety with problems like this.

Edit - Forgot to mention that when you get the slide retracted, if a loaded round is still stuck in the chamber, under no circumstances should you attempt to tap it out with a rod from the muzzle end of the barrel.

 

[cyb593]

I will probably just take it to a gunsmith. Around how much would something like this cost me out of curiosity. I would rather be safe than sorry but i also dont want to get ripped off.

Thanks for all the help you guys have given. Taking it to a gunsmith is what i was thinking but i wanted some opinions on this before i spent the money.

 

[M29since14]

My guess is it won't take him 30-seconds to open the gun, so he might not even charge you, but just ask him before he starts.

Since you aren't sure whether the gun is loaded or not, be really careful with it. If your gunsmith is in some place like a Cabela's or a Gander Mountain, leave the gun in your car and go in and ask him how he wants to handle it.

Judging from your description I would guess you have a live round in the chamber, but we all know... "all guns are always loaded."

 

[Arik]

Shine a flashlight into the barrel. If you dont see a bullet and just the case then stick a cleaning rod inside and smack it with a rubber mallet or a hammer. That should open it up

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[cyb593]

I cant tell if it is just a case or not. All i see is the case but i can see maybe a millimeter of the round. The only reason i am assuming it is live is because the round that came out of the bersa was still incased just the primer was gone. the weird part was since i could take the bersa apart really easy i could pull out the spring and the pin. When i did finally get it released it made a hiss noise and all that was left was the round and the primer was gone it in the top picture. The second picture is the 2 rounds i have found that have the dented primers. The 2 underneath as you can tell is the gun and that is as little as i can see of the round.

 

[Smithhound]

Using a wooden dowel of lesser diameter than the 9mm round, like 1/4", lay the end flush with the front of where the bolt face should be along the OUTSIDE of the pistol, mark where the end of the barrel is on the dowel. Now carefully insert the dowel into the barrel, if there is a loaded round in the chamber the dowel will stop well before you get to your mark, if the round has been fired it should enter almost to the mark. This will tell you if it is a live (or hosed up/dud) round or not. Remember mark this distance from the outside of the firearm. My guess is it is a fired way overpressure round that has burst and flowed primer material into the firing pin hole. If it is fired use the 'Lay the edge of the slide on a hard table' trick and give it a good smack on the backstrap. You may want to put some Kroil down the barrel and let it soak around the case first.
RD

 

[MichiganScott]

Shine a flashlight into the barrel. If you dont see a bullet and just the case then stick a cleaning rod inside and smack it with a rubber mallet or a hammer. That should open it up

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The only time I'm looking down the barrel of a gun is when I'm pointing in into a mirror. I like the suggestion of marking a dowel much better.

 

[cyb593]

well there is a round in there. Instead of looking down the barrel i let my phone look down the barrel while to be safe and in the picture i can see the bullet. So i am taking it to a gunsmith today and see whats up with it. Thanks guys for your help

 

[Smithhound]

Ahh yes..modern technology..forgot about that.
Well, gotta go crank my engine and get the flibber started..
RD