S&W model 16-2 .32 S&W long - new to my

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Today was another happy day in our family, we got a new member.
I was informed that 16-2 from 1962 is looking for a new home. We always have place in safe for a homeless S&W revolver.

.32 S&W long is new caliber for me, maybe next week to range.

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One of three 6" K-frame Target Masterpieces
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14-2, 16-2 and 17-5
 
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Nice trio! They make a really handsome family group. Are they all of about the same age and era? I notice the top one in the three has cutout grips while the other two have the "football" cuts.
I have never been able to find a '40s vintage K-32 to complement my 22 and 38, and as crazy as prices are, I doubt I will, so I built a faux Model 16-3, starting from a NOS barrel and a 14-3 donor gun to put it on. I really envy those who are able to find the "right" 32 for their collections and go from there. I guess I should have been born rich instead of so darn handsome! :rolleyes:
Froggie
PS Here's my "family portrait" showing the "youngster" in the middle.
 

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PPS: have you shot it yet? You owe it to yourself to do so because the 32 S&W Long in a K frame is genuinely fun to shoot. It's also wicked accurate! I recently got some Fiocchi ammo with wadcutter bullets, probably intended for use in European target autos. I'm trying to get the time to go to an indoor range and really "wring mine out". Fortunately, it's also just about the easiest revolver round to reload that I've ever encountered.
Froggie
 
I haven't shooted yet. I have several hundred Wad cutter cartridges made by Lapua. I'll try to make it to the shooting range next week.
Mod 17 and mod 14 are not original grips. Both came to me with Uncle Mikes rubber grips and I put S&W wood grips on the guns. Will have to look to see if the correct period grips for both are in stock.
14, 16 and 17 are very common models in Finland and also cheap models.
 
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Looking forward to a range report for those Lapua wadcutters. I'm guessing they will do very well indeed.
What is the reloading situation like in Finland? Is it commonly done, and are there any restrictions?
Froggie
 
Green Frog said:
Looking forward to a range report for those Lapua wadcutters. I'm guessing they will do very well indeed.
What is the reloading situation like in Finland? Is it commonly done, and are there any restrictions?
Froggie
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In Finland, each firearm must have a separate permit. Everyone is requested from the local police. In Finland, all the police are from the Finnish state, so here is the national police.
In order to get the first permit for a handgun, you have to prove that you have practiced shooting for two years / ten times.

The first handgun is challenging to get, the rifle and shotgun easy. A self-loading rifle with a magazine of more than ten cartridges requires the same as a first handgun, but one year / five times of training somewhere and a certificate from an IPSC or similar safe shooter course
A self-loading pistol with a magazine of more than 20 rounds also requires IPSC or equivalent status.

Reloading is allowed for personal use for such calibers as may be kept in possession.

In Finland, you can borrow a licensed weapon with a gun permit. With the pistol's permission, you can, for example, borrow another pistol in a different caliber. Thus, you can also reload cartridges in the borrowed gun.

I'm reloading:
9x19
.38 spl / .357 mag
.44 mag
.45 ACP

Corona and Putin in Ukraine have made primers expensive here too. There will be a new primers factory in Finland, I expect that it will hopefully lower prices, unless all the primers go to the aid given to Ukraine and to the production of cartridges for Finland's new Sako AR-15 rifles.
Finland's Defense Forces now have SAKO assault rifles 7.62x39. The next rifle is an AR-15 type manufactured by SAKO in 5.56 NATO caliber, and millions of cartridges must be put into stock quickly.

I have several hundreds of .32 S&W long wad cutter cartridges in stock, manufactured by Lapua, which I received at one time.
I didn't have a .32 S&W gun so I bought a S&W mod 16-2.
I would have liked the rarer mod 31, but now that neat and affordable model 16-2 became available. My new revolver purchase permit would only have been valid for about half a year, so I didn't have to wait for the affordable model 31.
 
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I'm going to need a ticket to ride!...:rolleyes:...Ben
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Welcome. The Model 16 can presumably be found in almost every gun store in Finland cheaply, around EUR 200-300/pc.
You can certainly get it cheaper. The model 16 was really common in Finland at the time in 25m range shooting, as was the model 14.
That's why they are affordable now. Old shooters or rather their heirs have to give up their guns, there are a lot of guns and nobody wants them = cheap.

Model 17 is a bit more desirable in my opinion, but you can also get them really cheaply or even for free like my friend got.

I paid model-14 EUR 200, model-17 EUR 300 and now model-16 EUR 150. In all cases, the seller was satisfied with the price.

I was almost shocked when I look at the SCSW model 16 information and the price estimate there.
 
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S&WshooterFIN said:
…I have several hundreds of .32 S&W long wad cutter cartridges in stock, manufactured by Lapua, which I received at one time.
I didn't have a .32 S&W gun so I bought a S&W mod 16-2.
I would have liked the rarer mod 31, but now that neat and affordable model 16-2 became available. My new revolver purchase permit would only have been valid for about half a year, so I didn't have to wait for the affordable model 31.
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I read your comment about the Model 31 vs Model 16 availability with some surprise. Here I see 10-20 of the little J frames for every K-32 (of whatever dash number) for sale, and the price of the K frame is likely to be 10X as great too! I still dream of finding an early post war K-32, but I'm no longer holding my breath! :rolleyes:

As for reloading, if you are l ready loading for 38/357, a simple set of dies and a box of bullets and you'll be good to go. I started out loading 38s for my revolvers and if anything find 32s to be easier. I am impressed with your supply of Lapua 32s. Can I assume they are wad cutters for the still common auto loaders?

Best regards,
Green Frog
 
Years ago, .32 S&W WC was at least perhaps the most common "bull's eye" shooters' cartridge in Finland. It might still be today, although Lapua doesn't seem to do it anymore. .32 S&W WC works in self-loading and S&W mod 16 (K-32 Target Masterpiece), which is a really common revolver in Finland.
I bought my 16 so I can shoot off the .32 cartridges in the safe. EUR 150 and I can shoot almost a thousand shots.

Of course, it's nice when I can own all the Target Masterpieces..
 
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"*150 and I can shoot almost a thousand rounds." (???)

Does that s mean you only had to give €150 for that 16-2? Excuse me while I pick my jaw up off the floor! Here in the US you would probably have to add another zero and then double it to get it. Congratulations (with a touch of envy). All that Lapua ammo should provide a lot of hours of enjoyment.

Green Frog
 
There are some very popular consignment sellers on Gunbroker that either have legitimately sent employees to Europe scouring for guns or they have contacts in Europe that are doing the legwork for them.

They are going through the (probably ridiculous volume of) red tape, paperwork and extreme hassle to re-import guns to the United States and they are selling them on Gunbroker.

We really LOVE it here. Not sure how many folks in Europe know or care. But the cost basis for the guns scattered across Europe seem to make this a viable venture... and your reporting of the 16-2 is proof of it.

That revolver would go for fat dollars to collectors and shooters here in the USA.
 
I've been thinking along similar lines, friend Seven. It might worth doing to establish some sort of commercial pipeline to search out such guns and reimport them home to the US. This would help reestablish the balance in the firearms universe. If I could just find a 1940s vintage K32 it would all be worthwhile for me. I wonder how many airline points it would take for a round trip from Virginia to Finland... HMMMMM...
Froggie
 
Welcome.
We have enough S&W revolvers and pistols, a few can be returned to the home country

We have a difficult gun law, a permit is expensive and difficult to get. a lot of weapons are scrapped because no one buys them.
I can easily get a permit for S&W revolvers and those are cheap here.
 
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S&WshooterFIN said:
Today was another happy day in our family, we got a new member.
I was informed that 16-2 from 1962 is looking for a new home. We always have place in safe for a homeless S&W revolver.

.32 S&W long is new caliber for me, maybe next week to range.

dif8hG1mg.jpg

-H8eCFn3M.jpg

csztImJvu.jpg

IskpGEisW.jpg



One of three 6" K-frame Target Masterpieces
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14-2, 16-2 and 17-5
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Congrats! You now own 1 of 3630 K32s made in 27 years! That would be before the 16-4. Here in the US they are the proverbial "Hen's Tooth"!
jcelect
 
Firearm auctions - police public auctions of firearms on behalf of gun owners - Police

Police Finland - Auctions organized by the Firearms Administration

The police sell at a public auction, on behalf of the owner, a firearm and firearm component which are in the possession of the police under a decision on taking of possession, and which have not been handed over to the holder of a relevant permit.

The police shall also sell at a public auction, on behalf of the owner, a firearm if the owner of the firearm does not hold a permit for the possession of the firearm in question, or if the firearm is not rendered permanently unfit for use.

Account will be rendered for the share of the selling price that exceeds the costs arising from handling the object. Any items not sold at auction will be transferred to State ownership without redemption.

The address of auctions organized by National Police Board Firearms Administration is Konepajankatu 2, RiihimäkiLink to an external websiteOpens in a new tab (entrance via the inner courtyard).

Admission and registration
Persons, companies and organizations entitled to acquire a firearm or firearm component may participate in the auction. Advance registration for the auction is required. The bulletin concerning the auction, and lists of firearms to be sold at the auction will be published as a news item on this page, approximately one month before the auction.

Only persons having registered in advance and who can present an official document to prove their identity, that is, a valid passport or identity card, and a permit authorising them to make purchases (a driving licence is not sufficient) will be allowed to enter the auction premises. Weapons collectors must present their approval as a weapons collector in addition to an official identification document and a permit authorising to make purchases. A representative of firearms trade must present an official identification document, a firearm licence and a trade permit for dealing in firearms.

The police will check the aforementioned documents at the gate leading to the inner courtyard prior to admission to the premises. After that, participants must register at the registration desk as being present at the auction. In connection with the registration, the personal details and documents entitling the holder to make purchases must be presented again. Information of the documents will be entered in the list of buyers and a sign indicating the buyer's number will be issued. After registration, participants may examine the items listed for sale at the auction.

Auction procedure
The terms and conditions of the auction are appended to this page. Changes to the lists of firearms are possible. The lists will not be distributed at the auction event.

The upset price of an item to be auctioned is EUR 50. Bids for items on firearm list 1 must be made verbally, in a clear voice, while holding up the number sign that was issued when registering for the auction. In order for items on firearm list 2 to come up for auction, at least one buyer must make a binding bid of EUR 50. The binding bid must be made while the items are viewed before the auction begins. The items on firearm list 2 for which an advance bid has been made will be auctioned following the same procedure as for items on firearm list 1.

Payment of auction price and handing over of items
The items bought at the auction must be paid for and removed from the premises on the day of the auction. Only card payments with the most common payment cards will be accepted at the auction (no cash payments). When the auction has been closed, items will no longer be handed over.

The firearms will only be sold and handed over to the permit holder, not to an authorised representative by proxy. Items sold to private individuals or weapons collectors will only be handed over against a valid permit entitling the holder to make purchases. The original permit must be presented. Purchasing a firearm component is an exception to the rule: the person must present the permit entitling to possess/possession permit to the firearm to which the firearm component bought will be attached.




Actual sale prices S&W model 16 (2023-2024)

6.6.2024
SMITH & WESSON 16-4 .32 S&W EUR 300
SMITH & WESSON 16-2 .32 S&W Long EUR 300
SMITH & WESSON 16-4 .32 H&R Mag. EUR 220

10.4.2024
SMITH & WESSON 16 - 4 .32 H&R Mag. EUR 460

14.2.2024
SMITH & WESSON Mod. 16-2 .32 S&W EUR 200
SMITH & WESSON 16-2 32 S&W LONG EUR 220

22.11.2023
SMITH & WESSON Model 16 .32 S&W Long EUR 90

11.10.2023
SMITH&WESSON 16 .32 S&W Long Wad. Cut. EUR 50

7.6.2023
Smith&Wesson 16 .32 S&W Long EUR 120
SMITH & WESSON Mod 16-2 .32 S&W EUR 240

19.4.2023
SMITH & WESSON 16 .32 S&W Long N.P. EUR 100,00
SMITH & WESSON 16-4 .32 Magnum EUR 210,00

SMITH & WESSON 16-2 32 S&W LONG EUR 50
SMITH & WESSON 16-2 32 S&W LONG EUR 120
SMITH & WESSON 16-2 .32 S&W EUR 70
Smith & Wesson 16-2 32 S&W LONG EUR 110
 
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Rather incredible prices for S&W Model 16s although I suppose the cost and challenges of obtaining permits to purchase raise the overall cost of ownership.

Jeff
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More information on the auction of a weapon handed over to the police. - Police

Auctioning a firearm handed over to the police
You have handed over to the police an item you own, governed by the Firearms Act, and you want the item to be sold at a public auction by the police. Further information about the auctioning process follows.

The police department will deliver the items, handed over for a public auction, to the National Police Board's Firearms Administration. The Firearms Administration organises an auction approximately six (6) times a year, in which approximately 500–700 items governed by the Firearms Act are sold each time.

Your address details or bank account number may change after you have handed over the items. Any changes should be reported to the Firearms Administration's official email address asehallinto(@)poliisi.fi to facilitate the processing of the matter and ensure the fluent flow of information. Please include in the email message your complete contact information, and any changed information. In addition, you must mention whether you are submitting the information as the representative of a deceased person's estate. Any other enquiries and contact requests can be sent to the same email address. If you wish, you can submit the information in encrypted format to the secure email of the police.

After the auction
KWhen an item has been included in an auction, a letter will always be sent to the party who handed over the item. The letter will inform whether the item was sold at the auction, and the price, or whether the item remained unsold. For reasons of logistics, items handed over by the same party may be auctioned at different times.

The upset price of an item to be sold at auction is always EUR 50. For items sold pursuant to the Firearms Act, the police is entitled to deduct the costs necessary to conduct the auction. The amount of these costs is EUR 50, the same as the upset price of the item.

If the item you handed over is sold at the upset price, there will be no proceeds to account for. If the price at which the item is sold exceeds EUR 50, expenses will be first deducted from the price, and the remaining proceeds will be paid to the bank account the number of which you have submitted to the police or the Firearms Administration. Remember to check the bank account details carefully when you receive a letter from the Firearms Administration concerning the auctioning of the item and the proceeds to be accounted for (the bank account number you have given is included in the letter).

Please note that if the item you handed over is not sold at the auction, there will be no second attempt to sell it and the item will not be returned, but transferred to State ownership without compensation (Firearms Act 1/1998, section 100, subsection 2). In this case, too, you will be informed by letter.

Once the item you handed over has been submitted to the Firearms Administration for auctioning, the item or any accessories delivered with it cannot be returned. Auction is the only way in which items submitted for auction can be handed over by the Firearms Administration to a new owner.
 
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