Doug.38PR
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Because they'd rather have a blued professional looking gun that conceals better under a coat rather than a flashy bright pimp's gun.
S&W Model 19 announcement
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Because they'd rather have a blued professional looking gun that conceals better under a coat rather than a flashy bright pimp's gun.
gwpercle
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You can go shopping for a new "classic" S&W today around town and go home with probably 10 or more of them by the end of the day.
They are sitting
Now the no lock new J frames, grab one when you see it. It will be gone within a week or less.
What town? I would love to get one since they are all just sitting unsold. Heck ...I might get two!
Gary
I've been mulling on this since I saw the first post on the Model 19 K-Comp. I'd like to try a revolver with the two piece barrel -- it promises good durability and accuracy. I understand that it makes assembly easier for S&W, and if that keeps costs down, fine. [Added: see later post. The Mdl 19K-Comp has a one piece barrel]
My PC 586 L-Comp has a great trigger and I'd expect the same in a PC 19 K-Comp. I'm surprised the 19 K-Comp doesn't have a moon-clipped cylinder (like the 586 L-Comp and the 640 and 442 Pro models) but that is a feature I don't need.
The Model 19 K-Comp is a handy sized gun and while it is more black than blued, the aesthetics are very good. It could well become a walk-in-the-woods and going-fishing carry gun for me. .357 Magnum is a good caliber for this role.
MIM is moot. IL is moot, too. Bashing is not allowed, but mentioning how to deal with it is okay, I think. I've disabled the locks on my other S&W revolvers while keeping the lock fixture in place and visible. Disabling the lock gives me a small margin of reliability, or the perception of it. Getting in there and making the change, and not messing anything up, gave me a new appreciation for this 100+ year old design. TK Custom sells a plug for the IL hole -- S&W Safety Delete Lock System Replacement Plug - TK Custom - Moonclips & Accessories for Competition Shooters & Sportsmen -- it appears to be the one made by Original Precision -- S&W Lock Delete - ORIGINAL PRECISION -- and I installed one of these in my 686 Plus 3" and am happy with it. I'm kind of ambivalent on the plug idea, overall, but I would install a plug in a 19 K-Comp, if I get one. Black plug in black frame should look okay.
The 19 K-Comp fits a niche. The SCSW 4th Ed says S&W produced a PC Model 19 K-Comp in 1994, so its not a new idea. [Added later: there is also mention in other sources of Mdl 19 K-Comp production in 2005]. We're not privy to their thinking -- we don't know how many they will make, how long they will make them -- and we don't know how well they will sell. But I'm going to start saving up for one. 586 L-Comps seem to be discounted around $200 from their MSRP of $1208 -- so perhaps the 19 K-Comp will be able to be found on the internet for around $900.
My PC 586 L-Comp has a great trigger and I'd expect the same in a PC 19 K-Comp. I'm surprised the 19 K-Comp doesn't have a moon-clipped cylinder (like the 586 L-Comp and the 640 and 442 Pro models) but that is a feature I don't need.
The Model 19 K-Comp is a handy sized gun and while it is more black than blued, the aesthetics are very good. It could well become a walk-in-the-woods and going-fishing carry gun for me. .357 Magnum is a good caliber for this role.
MIM is moot. IL is moot, too. Bashing is not allowed, but mentioning how to deal with it is okay, I think. I've disabled the locks on my other S&W revolvers while keeping the lock fixture in place and visible. Disabling the lock gives me a small margin of reliability, or the perception of it. Getting in there and making the change, and not messing anything up, gave me a new appreciation for this 100+ year old design. TK Custom sells a plug for the IL hole -- S&W Safety Delete Lock System Replacement Plug - TK Custom - Moonclips & Accessories for Competition Shooters & Sportsmen -- it appears to be the one made by Original Precision -- S&W Lock Delete - ORIGINAL PRECISION -- and I installed one of these in my 686 Plus 3" and am happy with it. I'm kind of ambivalent on the plug idea, overall, but I would install a plug in a 19 K-Comp, if I get one. Black plug in black frame should look okay.
The 19 K-Comp fits a niche. The SCSW 4th Ed says S&W produced a PC Model 19 K-Comp in 1994, so its not a new idea. [Added later: there is also mention in other sources of Mdl 19 K-Comp production in 2005]. We're not privy to their thinking -- we don't know how many they will make, how long they will make them -- and we don't know how well they will sell. But I'm going to start saving up for one. 586 L-Comps seem to be discounted around $200 from their MSRP of $1208 -- so perhaps the 19 K-Comp will be able to be found on the internet for around $900.
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Rover, I think you will find the Carry Comp is a one piece barrel unlike the 4.25". By virtue of the design of the power ported Smith barrels I don't see how a 2 piece barrel would be possible. I would also expect it is cut for moonclips. While it doesn't mention them on Smiths website, it also doesn't mention it for the 586 L-Comp.
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The L-Comp was originally (2000) advertised as being cut for moonclips
The F-Comp (built on a 66) is not cut for moonclips
I did not buy a K-Comp and I do not recall off the top of my head.
I would expect the current Model 19 Carry Comp to also not be cut for moonclips.
I can not recall any of the revolvers in the Carry Comp family to have been cut for moonclips. I am positive that the models 60, 640 and 67 were not. I am less sure of the others.
Bravo, Sir. I couldn't agree more.
kilov
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I hope some of the youngins among us buy them because it will help keep the mothership in the revolver business (and in business in general), but it's not for an old fogey like me. I've been spoiled for life by the real thing.
I tried to buy a "Classic" a couple times, but I just couldn't bring myself to do it.Why buy an imitation when you can still go out and find the real thing?
We youngins (just turned 30) are keeping them in business and this should help too! Let me offer a little insight as to why any of us are buying pistols like this.
I know that an IL and MIM is a deal breaker for the forum guys but the younger and newer crowd who love wheel guns have previously been interested in purchasing stainless, bead blasted or cerakote "working guns". We're not on the forum talking about how S&W has lost it's way and should only make old guns, we're buying the new Model 66's and 69's and using them! The IL (easily disabled) and MIM (we grew up with modern manufacturing practices) don't matter to us! We're just now doing the same for new Miroku Citori's & Remlins (Non JM Marlins).
We buy these due to availability and the reasonable effort to find them in the cities and metro areas that my generation has gravitated too. We work long or odd hours and our jobs don't offer much in the way of time off to look at pawnshops across the country for unicorn no dash pistols. We find our S&W's on the internet and then it's a done deal. We've beat them up backpacking, fishing, hunting, throwing them around in the car on road trips and haven't though twice about it.
Yeah, the stock new S&W trigger pull sucks but we're also the co-oping and DIY generation who made Youtube what it is today. My friends and I have stones, power custom jigs, etc. to fix that.
Now that we (meaning the upcoming generation) are aging into a point where we're buying houses (much later in life than our baby boomer counter parts), we're getting room for reloading and big gunsafes, the appeal of blued "fancy" guns is starting to set in.
Would I love a perfect P&R Model 19? Of course! But I'd rather drop $900 for a new pistol and custom work than drop $1300 on gunbroker.com for a vintage smith of questionable condition.
I just purchased a Model 57 Modern Classic. It has an internal lock, MIM parts, etc. but I don't care. What was more important was that it was a decent price (low $700's) and it was readily available on gunbroker instead of chasing down leads for a more expensive but vintage N Frame .41 Mag. It's a beautiful new gun that I don't mind shooting or customizing. There is no risk of ruining a collector item when I have the barrel cut down to 5" and put a gold bead front on it or so it'll be the perfect N frame for me.
So there you go, good on S&W for making it and yes we'll buy it and no it won't be the same as your pistol from the 60's. It'll be mine from the time in my life when I could get a sweet new gun and have it altered to match me.
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I think most everyone would be just fine if the factory returned to producing the era just after the P&R versions.
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The point is they aren't going to. It doesn't matter what everyone would be happy with. Those days are over and they aren't coming back.
Thank you for the "insight"!
Unfortunately, you seem to have gotten the impression that I look down on folks buying these new "Classic" revolvers when nothing could be further from the truth. As I said above and reiterate: I hope folks much younger than ancient moi buy lots of them as it will help keep the mothership in the revolver business. Just because they aren't for me personally, don't assume that I think they aren't for anyone. Hardly! 
Like they say, different strokes for different folks. Enjoy your new "Classic"! 
New Classic Model 19- $826.00 and with the "Lock" ?
thank you, but NO!
thank you, but NO!
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"...Just always wanted a 4" 19/66...."
Me too. Friend and I were discussing that one day in the '70s. In about a month he showed me one. He had sent a round butt 2 1/2" 66 to the factory for a 4" re barrel. Nice. We had a kid in college at the time and I never got around to it, much to my regrets. His made a nice carry gun.
Jack
Me too. Friend and I were discussing that one day in the '70s. In about a month he showed me one. He had sent a round butt 2 1/2" 66 to the factory for a 4" re barrel. Nice. We had a kid in college at the time and I never got around to it, much to my regrets. His made a nice carry gun.
Jack
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You can probably subtract about $100.00 from manufacturer suggested retail. I know my local dealer would.
Lou_the_welder
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I paid $745 for a new model 66-8 combat magnum-cheap! The new guns offered will be around the same price with a carry comp added. (Which the pc carry comp will be more expensive) These guns for the prices offered are well worth the money. Ball detent. 2 piece barrels. No force cone defect at 180°!
Accuracy has been amazingly remarkable when I've compared it to PC models and pro models. Something about shooting a K frame-i agree! These new barrels are worth it.
And I shoot alot. I'm sure nobody wants to hear this.
And the lock?
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Rpg
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More REAL classic 19's for me!
bronco45
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Always wanted a K Comp and I'll stand in line to get one. Thanks S&W this gun really satisfies my K frame Magnum itch!
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"CLASSIC", WITH A LOCK, COME ON.
I wish anyone that buys one, happiness with it. I could likely buy a good condition original for less $, with better bluing/grips, and NO lock. Forgive me for speed reading, or not reading every post, but I saw no mention of what is mims, or not. The grips did not wow me. + I don't need another 357 That I'm only gonna shoot 38's thru. Good luck if you get one.
I wish anyone that buys one, happiness with it. I could likely buy a good condition original for less $, with better bluing/grips, and NO lock. Forgive me for speed reading, or not reading every post, but I saw no mention of what is mims, or not. The grips did not wow me. + I don't need another 357 That I'm only gonna shoot 38's thru. Good luck if you get one.
Let's hope the new batch of 19's are better than the 66's. Like I've seen before here on this forum the new 66's had some major QC issues. Canted barrels, rough actions etc. I saw one (screwy 66) at a LGS & that was a deal breaker. If these 19's are better I may dump my problematic GP100/7 & get one!
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I love the recently reintroduced Model 66, and following up with a blue version makes good sense.
The L Frame is wonderful, but I said years ago they should make it in full lug (as they do), and traditional lug (I detest the term "half lug"), or traditional ejector shroud. They should have made the 686 Mountain Gun a standard production item.
With the two-piece barrel, the whole problem of the thin section of barrel beneath at the 6 o'clock point (looking toward the muzzle) has been adequately addressed. I prefer the 158 grain bullet anyway, which means no problem using Magnum ammo in the old 19/66, as it was the short length of bullet combined with the extra hot 1,400 fps 125 grain Magnum round that caused the problem - the short bullet didn't seal the gap quite long enough thereby allowing the blow-torch effect on that thin section of barrel at the six o'clock point. Apparently, nanoseconds really do make the difference.
In any event, we now have a 19/66 that truly is everything Bill Jordan wanted back in the mid 1950s.
Good show.
PS - that little lock comes right out revealing the true intent of that little hole above the cylinder release - an "oil application port" for that one drop once per year.
The L Frame is wonderful, but I said years ago they should make it in full lug (as they do), and traditional lug (I detest the term "half lug"), or traditional ejector shroud. They should have made the 686 Mountain Gun a standard production item.
With the two-piece barrel, the whole problem of the thin section of barrel beneath at the 6 o'clock point (looking toward the muzzle) has been adequately addressed. I prefer the 158 grain bullet anyway, which means no problem using Magnum ammo in the old 19/66, as it was the short length of bullet combined with the extra hot 1,400 fps 125 grain Magnum round that caused the problem - the short bullet didn't seal the gap quite long enough thereby allowing the blow-torch effect on that thin section of barrel at the six o'clock point. Apparently, nanoseconds really do make the difference.
In any event, we now have a 19/66 that truly is everything Bill Jordan wanted back in the mid 1950s.
Good show.
PS - that little lock comes right out revealing the true intent of that little hole above the cylinder release - an "oil application port" for that one drop once per year.
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