S&W Model 60. Saved the day!!!
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OLDFED
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Lots of great comments and advice above! I wouldn't have gone the 200 yards either and would have had much more than a 60 and 311 to greet visitors. One semi-auto on the bad guys and you were outgunned. Glad you made it out of that potential disaster!
Delos
Member
Could have been safer?
A few points of interest. I assume you were still pointing the revolver down when you brought it to your side from behind back. Hopefully you were not pointing it anywhere near your foot or ankle when you cocked it?
After you walked 200 yards to them. How close did you get. How did you walk back to house? Did you walk backward for some distance or did you turn your back on them risking getting hit in the back of the head and them getting your shotgun?
Did you have someone obvious watching you from a distance?
A few points of interest. I assume you were still pointing the revolver down when you brought it to your side from behind back. Hopefully you were not pointing it anywhere near your foot or ankle when you cocked it?
After you walked 200 yards to them. How close did you get. How did you walk back to house? Did you walk backward for some distance or did you turn your back on them risking getting hit in the back of the head and them getting your shotgun?
Did you have someone obvious watching you from a distance?
amazingflapjack
US Veteran
to summarize the majority of the above comments in a short version: do not open the door. You were a crime of opportunity that did not occur, in my view.
JcMack
Member
A word of advise for the OP. Never, NEVER, post encounters of this type on a gun websight. Your actions, no matter what you did, will be picked to pieces. I've been there.
Never leave your house under such circumstances as you described.
Never leave your house under such circumstances as you described.
feralmerril
Absent Comrade
I have no problem with his account. But then I have seen a lot. I have told this story before. My mothers father ran a country general store along with another family in wisconsin. This happened around 1919. Mom was about five. The familys lived over the store. Grandpa was woke up by someone throwing gravel or whatever. The guy hollered up he was out of gas. Now in this day and age thats almost unbeliveable but not back then. Grandpa got up and went down to pump them some gas and two guys threw down on him, took him in the store to open the safe. His partner came down the stairs with a pistol in hand to see what was going on. Partners name was heine pries. Heines wife gussie was comeing down the stairs behind heine. The robbers yelled for him to stick em up! Heine complied and raised his hands still holding the pistol. Gussie being behind him and a couple steps up grabbed the pistol out of heines hand. She came down the steps with it and proceeded to beat the nearest robber over the head with it! One of them shot her! Got her in the arm near the shoulder.
They got away. The next day a neighboring county sheriff called and had grandpa and heine come look at a body. They hit another store that night about 40 miles away. A body was found shot dead at the store door. It was one of the robbers.
Fast forward a few years. Both familys moved to southern california and started another store in santa anna. One day heine and grandpa went to LA on business and bumped into the other robber on a streetcar!
They got him arrested. He broke down and admitted to a lot of old crimes. He said he accidently shot his partner that night as he was trying to climb over the transom over the door.
From what I was told the robber actualy got very little time.
Another time we lived in that same village (auroaville wisconsin) in the 1950s. I was about 10. Mom ran a fruit stand in front of the house right on highway 49. Dad was working swing shift. Mom was makeing a bed up late. Turned and saw a man with his face pressed to the window. I was in my bedroom upstairs. I heard her scream, "Why you old devil!" Then she went out to un leash "Pete" on him. She had a revolver but didnt bother or think to grab it. She even had shotguns and rifles too, knew how to shoot and didnt grab one either. She said she reconised the man as he had hung around her stand that day and had acted odd. Mom was a business woman her entire life. She used to run that same store by herself durring the war and I was brought up in it. She never was scared of anyone and dealt with people all the time.
Fast forward again some years. There was a huge headline in the paper with Ed geins picture. He was the killer canniable goul that was just arrested. Moms cousins husband caught him. He also robbed about 40+ graves of women. Supposedly Hitchkock loosely wrote "The silence of the lambs" about him. Think "Hannibal the cannibal"! mom instantly reconised his photo as the peeping tom she ran off that night.
Not long before "specks" leon murty died he told me and dad about arresting gein. That was back in 1979. I wish I would have had a tape recorder. It was different than the book. Specks wife helen and mom were raised together a few years. Helen had also been sheriff when specks was undersheriff back and forth due to some regulations. Specks had just given up the office and a fellow named shley got elected. He had no experiance and called specks when mrs wordens body wasnt found in her hardware store in plainfield wisconsin. Blood and no body.
Specks found where she had started to write up kerosine on a bill. Gein was a nut-recluse that lived nearby. Specks said gein was about the only one to use kerosine anymore. They went out and found her hung up like a deer on the back porch and a grusome house full of "stuff". They got him on two murders. Specks thought it more like six or so that he couldnt prove. Once specks and dad looked for some missing hunters and the trail went cold behind geins house. They never were found! Gein told specks of robbing over 40 graves. They dug up one or two of them and they were empty! They didnt bother checking the rest.
Specks held a grudge against shly. Shly took the credit for most of the arrest that became world news.
They got away. The next day a neighboring county sheriff called and had grandpa and heine come look at a body. They hit another store that night about 40 miles away. A body was found shot dead at the store door. It was one of the robbers.
Fast forward a few years. Both familys moved to southern california and started another store in santa anna. One day heine and grandpa went to LA on business and bumped into the other robber on a streetcar!
They got him arrested. He broke down and admitted to a lot of old crimes. He said he accidently shot his partner that night as he was trying to climb over the transom over the door.
From what I was told the robber actualy got very little time.
Another time we lived in that same village (auroaville wisconsin) in the 1950s. I was about 10. Mom ran a fruit stand in front of the house right on highway 49. Dad was working swing shift. Mom was makeing a bed up late. Turned and saw a man with his face pressed to the window. I was in my bedroom upstairs. I heard her scream, "Why you old devil!" Then she went out to un leash "Pete" on him. She had a revolver but didnt bother or think to grab it. She even had shotguns and rifles too, knew how to shoot and didnt grab one either. She said she reconised the man as he had hung around her stand that day and had acted odd. Mom was a business woman her entire life. She used to run that same store by herself durring the war and I was brought up in it. She never was scared of anyone and dealt with people all the time.
Fast forward again some years. There was a huge headline in the paper with Ed geins picture. He was the killer canniable goul that was just arrested. Moms cousins husband caught him. He also robbed about 40+ graves of women. Supposedly Hitchkock loosely wrote "The silence of the lambs" about him. Think "Hannibal the cannibal"! mom instantly reconised his photo as the peeping tom she ran off that night.
Not long before "specks" leon murty died he told me and dad about arresting gein. That was back in 1979. I wish I would have had a tape recorder. It was different than the book. Specks wife helen and mom were raised together a few years. Helen had also been sheriff when specks was undersheriff back and forth due to some regulations. Specks had just given up the office and a fellow named shley got elected. He had no experiance and called specks when mrs wordens body wasnt found in her hardware store in plainfield wisconsin. Blood and no body.
Specks found where she had started to write up kerosine on a bill. Gein was a nut-recluse that lived nearby. Specks said gein was about the only one to use kerosine anymore. They went out and found her hung up like a deer on the back porch and a grusome house full of "stuff". They got him on two murders. Specks thought it more like six or so that he couldnt prove. Once specks and dad looked for some missing hunters and the trail went cold behind geins house. They never were found! Gein told specks of robbing over 40 graves. They dug up one or two of them and they were empty! They didnt bother checking the rest.
Specks held a grudge against shly. Shly took the credit for most of the arrest that became world news.
feralmerril
Absent Comrade
Make it coffee if theresa is with me. I am overdue for a trip home. If I do maybe I can buy you that drink! By the way, that store where one robber shot the other was near you. Horicon or someplace around there. I use to have a uncle and aunt also run a store at horicon back around 1960.
Seem to remember it was the IGA?? Also had a pop company. Wiseman`s.
Seem to remember it was the IGA?? Also had a pop company. Wiseman`s.
feralmerril
Absent Comrade
One of the last time`s I was home I visited a cousin who is a retired LEO. We got talking about gein and she said, ya know what his job was in the nut house? No, what? Butcher, she said. Suzie always did have a sense of humor.
feralmerril
Absent Comrade
Here is a U-tube video that is pretty close to the truth about gein. The truth is more grusom than the video. Wordons son DID NOT burn the house down. Someone else did.
Ed Gein - YouTube
Ed Gein - YouTube
I wish I could still put my hands on my copy of the book by the judge who eventually tried Ed Gien. He included an appendix of Ed Gien jokes. Some examples:
What did Ed Gein say to the seriff who arrested him?
"Have a heart."
Why won't anyone play poker with Ed Gein?
He might come up with a good hand.
What was Ed Gein's favorite dessert?
Ladyfingers.
Thenm after a dozen or so of these, you were set up to expect nothing but gore:
What ran in the river behind Ed Gein's house.
Water, of course.
When first arrested, Gein was found not competent to stand trial. Years later when he finally went to trial it was a different era, and the jokes reflected it:
Why did the Defense Department contact Ed Gein?
They wanted him to ship some arms to Vietnam.
Eventually he was found not guilty by reason of insanity and returned to the hospital where he had been interned.
What did Ed Gein say to the seriff who arrested him?
"Have a heart."
Why won't anyone play poker with Ed Gein?
He might come up with a good hand.
What was Ed Gein's favorite dessert?
Ladyfingers.
Thenm after a dozen or so of these, you were set up to expect nothing but gore:
What ran in the river behind Ed Gein's house.
Water, of course.
When first arrested, Gein was found not competent to stand trial. Years later when he finally went to trial it was a different era, and the jokes reflected it:
Why did the Defense Department contact Ed Gein?
They wanted him to ship some arms to Vietnam.
Eventually he was found not guilty by reason of insanity and returned to the hospital where he had been interned.
Texas Star
US Veteran
Merill-
Alfred Hitchcock did not write, "The Silence of the Lambs". An author named Thomas Harris did that. He conferred with John Douglas and other BAU profilers in creating Hannibal Lecter, who starred in three of his books. All became movies, none produced by Hitchcock, who I think was dead before the films appeared.
As an aside, look closely at the agent who hands Jodie Foster's character in, "Lambs" her credentials in the movie. It 's the real Douglas, in a cameo role! This is toward the end of the film, at the graduation ceremony.
It is very revealing to read the books by Douglas and Robert Ressler. Sometimes, truth is even scarier than most fiction.
Alfred Hitchcock did not write, "The Silence of the Lambs". An author named Thomas Harris did that. He conferred with John Douglas and other BAU profilers in creating Hannibal Lecter, who starred in three of his books. All became movies, none produced by Hitchcock, who I think was dead before the films appeared.
As an aside, look closely at the agent who hands Jodie Foster's character in, "Lambs" her credentials in the movie. It 's the real Douglas, in a cameo role! This is toward the end of the film, at the graduation ceremony.
It is very revealing to read the books by Douglas and Robert Ressler. Sometimes, truth is even scarier than most fiction.
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Texas Star
US Veteran
Good advice, but at least, some here who might otherwise do dumb things can learn from his mistakes.
Just cocking that gun or approaching those men off his property with a shotgun in hand could be considered as threatening actions in some jurisdictions.
That's on top of the tactical issues, such as a third man possibly standing up from behind cover and shooting him as he approached the men.
We had a fatal shooting of a security guard here some years ago as he confronted some men who were stealing from a car. A third man used a shotgun on him. One hospital that is notorious for patient-dumping refused him care and he died while en route to the county hospital.
The last I heard, the criminals remained at large and unknown.
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Delos
Member
I am shocked. I was raised in the People's Republik of Kalifornia and amazingly you did not get arrested.
You were off your property brandishing a shotgun and talking tough to people who have not yet stolen anything or displayed a weapon. They could have sued you. Could have had you arrested.
You are just lucky the police did their jobs and no radical lawyers and none of our news media anti gun reporters jumped all over you.
Please let the police do their jobs.
(Hey, seriously, what if you had scared them off and neighbor had no video. I am really unhappy at you taking them gasoline. I will forgive you this time because you did the morally right thing to do. You are my hero for tonight only. God bless anyone who cares anymore).
It is often not a bad idea to answer the door with a Model 60 in hand.
feralmerril
Absent Comrade
I had that book the judge wrote. I gave it to specks wife after he died. The last time I seen specks we talked all afternoon about the case. One big differance was other sources, even the judges book claim the case was basicly solved by her starting to write up anti freeze. Hell everybody in wisconsin buys antifreeze. Specks definetly told me and dad it was kerosine and he knew gein was probley the only guy in the county without electricity. Specks also suspected who burnt the house down the night before the auction. I probley knew the man better than anyone else. They are all long gone now anyway. Gein was a well known nutcase in the area. But no one really thought he was THAT nuts.
Besides the two women he was proven to kill, specks suspected him of killing at least five more. His brother, his father, those two deer hunters that were never found and a girl babysitter near lacross. On that deal a old levi jacket was found near the scene. The jacket was faded with criss cross strips from someone who farmed yet with mules and horses. Gein did. Specks said he placed him near the scene that night but he wouldnt crack. The girls body was never found.
At one point sheriff shly lost it and started beating gein in the basement of the jail. Specks had to pull him off gein.
The deal was specks had just given up the sheriff job and shly got it. Shly had no leo background, maybe I heard it seems he was a mp in the army, but not sure about that. Specks still was the constable of wild rose. Mrs wardons son was constable of plainfield. When shly called specks for help specks looked things over and said if we solve this, we will also have solved that case over in adams county. A woman bartender, mary hogan had dissapeared the same way. All this happened in waushara county. I heard it was specks and his old deputy dad chase that went to geins house and found the mess. There is another huge discreptancy in geins actual arrest from the books and video that specks told dad and me but I will leave that hearsay story alone.
Anyway at some point specks took gein to madison for a lie detector test. The examiner told specks he didnt have time that day or whatever and bring him tomorrow. Specks didnt want to do a turn around and elected to spend the night in the jug with gein.
They gave specks and gein a whole empty wing and didnt lock the cell door. Specks said he faked sleeping and then gein stood over him looking close at him. Then he tried the cell door and it swung open and gein walked out. Specks said he got up, peeked around the corner and watched gein try to push the hall door open, of course it was locked.
Specks said he went and laid down on the cot again and gein come back in. He said he "woke up", offered gein a cigarette and they talked.
Gein told him that he couldnt control himself when there was a full moon. That wasnt a forest fire as the video said, but a marsh fire. Specks went into old records etc and said gein came home alone saying his brother got lost. That night there was a marsh fire. Supposedly gein led some people right after the fire looking for his brother. They said he walked right up to the charred body. Specks figured it was murder and I belive it happened quite a few years before specks ever was a sheriff. And then at some point geins father that some said he hated burned to death in a house fire. Specks suspected him of that one too. When I was a kid specks took dad with him looking for those "missing" hunters. They said the last tracks and sign of them was right near geins farm. Specks figured gein killed them. That was a number of years before him killing those women.
The way he killed mrs wardon was he simply put a .22 LR cartridge in his pocket. She ran the local hardware or coast to coast store and they had rifles on display. He picked one up to admire while she was writeing up his kerosine. He loaded the rifle and shot her in the back of the head. Then he pulled her out to his old ford PU and the rest is history.
Thats the basic story he told us. I knew specks since I was a kid as he and his wife helen were close friends to my folks. Helen was a orphan as her mother, (my moms aunt) died in a house fire in north dakota when my mother and her were little kids. My moms grandparents raised her and her brother. The grandparents were about a 5 minute walk from our old store so they were more like a aunt and uncle to me rather than a secound cousin.
Besides the two women he was proven to kill, specks suspected him of killing at least five more. His brother, his father, those two deer hunters that were never found and a girl babysitter near lacross. On that deal a old levi jacket was found near the scene. The jacket was faded with criss cross strips from someone who farmed yet with mules and horses. Gein did. Specks said he placed him near the scene that night but he wouldnt crack. The girls body was never found.
At one point sheriff shly lost it and started beating gein in the basement of the jail. Specks had to pull him off gein.
The deal was specks had just given up the sheriff job and shly got it. Shly had no leo background, maybe I heard it seems he was a mp in the army, but not sure about that. Specks still was the constable of wild rose. Mrs wardons son was constable of plainfield. When shly called specks for help specks looked things over and said if we solve this, we will also have solved that case over in adams county. A woman bartender, mary hogan had dissapeared the same way. All this happened in waushara county. I heard it was specks and his old deputy dad chase that went to geins house and found the mess. There is another huge discreptancy in geins actual arrest from the books and video that specks told dad and me but I will leave that hearsay story alone.
Anyway at some point specks took gein to madison for a lie detector test. The examiner told specks he didnt have time that day or whatever and bring him tomorrow. Specks didnt want to do a turn around and elected to spend the night in the jug with gein.
They gave specks and gein a whole empty wing and didnt lock the cell door. Specks said he faked sleeping and then gein stood over him looking close at him. Then he tried the cell door and it swung open and gein walked out. Specks said he got up, peeked around the corner and watched gein try to push the hall door open, of course it was locked.
Specks said he went and laid down on the cot again and gein come back in. He said he "woke up", offered gein a cigarette and they talked.
Gein told him that he couldnt control himself when there was a full moon. That wasnt a forest fire as the video said, but a marsh fire. Specks went into old records etc and said gein came home alone saying his brother got lost. That night there was a marsh fire. Supposedly gein led some people right after the fire looking for his brother. They said he walked right up to the charred body. Specks figured it was murder and I belive it happened quite a few years before specks ever was a sheriff. And then at some point geins father that some said he hated burned to death in a house fire. Specks suspected him of that one too. When I was a kid specks took dad with him looking for those "missing" hunters. They said the last tracks and sign of them was right near geins farm. Specks figured gein killed them. That was a number of years before him killing those women.
The way he killed mrs wardon was he simply put a .22 LR cartridge in his pocket. She ran the local hardware or coast to coast store and they had rifles on display. He picked one up to admire while she was writeing up his kerosine. He loaded the rifle and shot her in the back of the head. Then he pulled her out to his old ford PU and the rest is history.
Thats the basic story he told us. I knew specks since I was a kid as he and his wife helen were close friends to my folks. Helen was a orphan as her mother, (my moms aunt) died in a house fire in north dakota when my mother and her were little kids. My moms grandparents raised her and her brother. The grandparents were about a 5 minute walk from our old store so they were more like a aunt and uncle to me rather than a secound cousin.
One night late last fall, about 10:45, somebody rang our doorbell. That's past my bedtime, so I got into my Wranglers, pulled on my boots, and made my way downstairs. I was also discreetly carrying my .45 down at my side.
I turned on the porch light, opened the door, and there were two kids, a girl and a boy, ages 13 and 15. They live in a town about 15 miles to the west of our place. Their dad is an old buddy of mine who plays a mean bluegrass fiddle.
Anyway, their whole family was over at my neighbor's home and had brought their fiddles, guitars, etc., and wanted me to grab my mandolin and come over and pick for awhile. You gotta be kidding!! It's almost 11:00!!!
Being somewhat crazy, I told them I'd be over in a few minutes after I pulled a shirt on over my long johns. Anyway, when I got over there, my friend was laughing his head off because when the kids got back, their eyes were wider than saucers. They were saying, "He answered the door with a gun!!!!" My buddy told them, "What do you expect? We're out in the boonies. It's almost 11:00 at night and you go banging on his door."
I didn't say anything when I got over there, but the word spread through town pretty quick.
I turned on the porch light, opened the door, and there were two kids, a girl and a boy, ages 13 and 15. They live in a town about 15 miles to the west of our place. Their dad is an old buddy of mine who plays a mean bluegrass fiddle.
Anyway, their whole family was over at my neighbor's home and had brought their fiddles, guitars, etc., and wanted me to grab my mandolin and come over and pick for awhile. You gotta be kidding!! It's almost 11:00!!!
Being somewhat crazy, I told them I'd be over in a few minutes after I pulled a shirt on over my long johns. Anyway, when I got over there, my friend was laughing his head off because when the kids got back, their eyes were wider than saucers. They were saying, "He answered the door with a gun!!!!" My buddy told them, "What do you expect? We're out in the boonies. It's almost 11:00 at night and you go banging on his door."
I didn't say anything when I got over there, but the word spread through town pretty quick.
I don't see where the OP made any terrible mistakes.
Someone bangs on my door before daylight, I'm going to find out who they are and what they are up to. I will be armed. (Probably with something more powerful and higher capacity than a Model 60) If they leave and park down the road, I am going to find out what they are up to. This is the rural South, not NYC, Baltimore, or California. Our LEOs know the problems faced by rural residents and landowners, and they expect us to take care of things. Also, I would consider myself well armed with a 2-barrel shotgun with ejectors, loaded with buck, and more rounds available. It would take a fool to start a fight with a man with a double barrel armed with a semi-automatic handgun.
I keep a little gas on hand just for such occurrences. I guess we average two incidents such as this per year. I am always armed, and usually have more weapons available in the house and in a couple of outbuildings. Things are just different in the rural areas. I have seen on some forums where people have been called to task for checking a building that looked like it had been broken in instead of calling the Sheriff. The nearest deputy might be 15 miles away, working a wreck or investigating a burglary or something. They would understand if a woman called them to tend to such a chore, but they would suspect the testicular fortitude of a grown man who waited around a couple of hours for them to get there before tending to something they figure he should be capable of handling.
Someone bangs on my door before daylight, I'm going to find out who they are and what they are up to. I will be armed. (Probably with something more powerful and higher capacity than a Model 60) If they leave and park down the road, I am going to find out what they are up to. This is the rural South, not NYC, Baltimore, or California. Our LEOs know the problems faced by rural residents and landowners, and they expect us to take care of things. Also, I would consider myself well armed with a 2-barrel shotgun with ejectors, loaded with buck, and more rounds available. It would take a fool to start a fight with a man with a double barrel armed with a semi-automatic handgun.
I keep a little gas on hand just for such occurrences. I guess we average two incidents such as this per year. I am always armed, and usually have more weapons available in the house and in a couple of outbuildings. Things are just different in the rural areas. I have seen on some forums where people have been called to task for checking a building that looked like it had been broken in instead of calling the Sheriff. The nearest deputy might be 15 miles away, working a wreck or investigating a burglary or something. They would understand if a woman called them to tend to such a chore, but they would suspect the testicular fortitude of a grown man who waited around a couple of hours for them to get there before tending to something they figure he should be capable of handling.
feralmerril
Absent Comrade
Okay, here is another gun brandishing story I had done to me. It happened southern california where I lived. I had a neighbor that was kind of a friend for awhile. Think of a oakie half indian redneck. Ray was likeable when sober. You didnt want to know him when he drank which was too often.
He lived two houses away from me. I was single, this was about 1976.
My best friend and wife wanted me to meet a neighbor girl friend they had. I agreed to hosting a BBQ for us and they brought her.
While I was cooking in the back yard I pened up rusty my part pit bull. Rusty was going out of his mind yodeling, howling and running back and forth. Now my buddy bill is a gun person. Bill also was a ex leo and we worked the same job only he in burbank and me in palmdale. (They later bought the house next door). Bill was packing a snub, not that I knew or cared at the time. They goaded me into letting rusty out of the pen. It was in the afternoon on a weekday and school had just let out up the street. Rusty being athletic cleared the fence.
Soon it sounded like a slaughter house in the front yard. Bill and I walked out front. Rusty had a cat, maybe ray`s cat up a tree. The cat was high enough and rusty couldnt reach it. All the sudden ray showed up with a shotgun! I yelled at ray to put up the shotgun. Instead he put the shotgun in my belly maybe 5 feet away. I saw bill edge to one side and pointed his snub at rays head maybe 6 feet away to one side slightly back from ray. I dont belive ray ever did see bill pointing his gun at him. Oddly, I cant tell you what I told ray but he did walk off grumbeling to his house. I knew he was very drunk. Then bill and I had to drive a few blocks to catch rusty. We got him and penned him. Then I said I am going over to rays and have a talk with him.
Ray was sitting in his house with the front door open. Come on in buddy, he hollered. I said buddy my ---! You get your --- out here! He did come out and I gave him a riot act. I told him to walk on the other side of the street from now on and not even walk in front of my house etc. All kinds of other stupid heroic bawling out.
Ray got even. It went on that way for maybe a year. Finaly I seen him go into the local bar, went in, bought him a drink and apologised.
It wasnt much later he introduced me to my now ex wife!
He lived two houses away from me. I was single, this was about 1976.
My best friend and wife wanted me to meet a neighbor girl friend they had. I agreed to hosting a BBQ for us and they brought her.
While I was cooking in the back yard I pened up rusty my part pit bull. Rusty was going out of his mind yodeling, howling and running back and forth. Now my buddy bill is a gun person. Bill also was a ex leo and we worked the same job only he in burbank and me in palmdale. (They later bought the house next door). Bill was packing a snub, not that I knew or cared at the time. They goaded me into letting rusty out of the pen. It was in the afternoon on a weekday and school had just let out up the street. Rusty being athletic cleared the fence.
Soon it sounded like a slaughter house in the front yard. Bill and I walked out front. Rusty had a cat, maybe ray`s cat up a tree. The cat was high enough and rusty couldnt reach it. All the sudden ray showed up with a shotgun! I yelled at ray to put up the shotgun. Instead he put the shotgun in my belly maybe 5 feet away. I saw bill edge to one side and pointed his snub at rays head maybe 6 feet away to one side slightly back from ray. I dont belive ray ever did see bill pointing his gun at him. Oddly, I cant tell you what I told ray but he did walk off grumbeling to his house. I knew he was very drunk. Then bill and I had to drive a few blocks to catch rusty. We got him and penned him. Then I said I am going over to rays and have a talk with him.
Ray was sitting in his house with the front door open. Come on in buddy, he hollered. I said buddy my ---! You get your --- out here! He did come out and I gave him a riot act. I told him to walk on the other side of the street from now on and not even walk in front of my house etc. All kinds of other stupid heroic bawling out.
Ray got even. It went on that way for maybe a year. Finaly I seen him go into the local bar, went in, bought him a drink and apologised.
It wasnt much later he introduced me to my now ex wife!
Jst1mr
Member
Seriously? Make a "suspicious persons" call, then head out into low-light conditions with obvious (shotgun) gun in hand? Remember the folks in CA who got shot up just for driving a similar vehicle as a wanted perp? You went from defending yourself to being a neighborhood guardian....effectiveness of that strategy yet to be determined.....stay tuned.
