comiskeybum
Member
- Joined
- Jul 27, 2015
- Messages
- 359
- Reaction score
- 277
"Most complaints come from non owners." How does that make ANY sense? I cant complain about a TV that i dont own. Or a gun ive never fired.
S&W Quality?
- Thread starter stregap51
- Start date
Last fall I received a new Model 29-10 as a retirement gift. As an owner of a 29-2 I was quick to observe the differences. I found the stampings on the -10 to be less refined and the finish was a notch down from the -2. The grips are visually painful but a nice set of vintage football targets solved that problem.
Functionally the -10 is a fine example. Not quite as accurate as the -2 but the -2 has an 8 3/8 barrel vs 6 1/2 on the -10.
Functionally the -10 is a fine example. Not quite as accurate as the -2 but the -2 has an 8 3/8 barrel vs 6 1/2 on the -10.
Can't name the forum here but one of the most popular.Give you a clue....Desert Eagle bashing was the first brand discovered.time frame 2009-2011
Five-star voting your own complaint thread is a bit gauche....
Ranger514
Member
Brand loyalty has its place, but the fact remains that every manufacturer has had QC issues at one time or another...some more than others. Kimber isn't immune.
Meaning no disrespect, but this is kind of a "Well, DUH" observation. A handgun that small loaded with full-house magnums is going to buck like a rank horse. And I concur, the grips on virtually all snubby magnums, no matter who makes them, can make the shooting experience uncomfortable to brutal.
About the smallest I'd ever go for a personal carry gun in magnum would be my Model 19 2 1/2 incher. I've got a pair of Herrett stocks on it now and I can swap those out for a Pachmayr when I feel like it. With a full magnum load, that thing has a kick but it is manageable and it's pretty accurate, too.
I've shot some small .357s and to be honest, I'm not sure much is gained by packing a pocket rocket like that.
I'll be the "fly-in-the-ointment" on this thread.The only "new"(IL,MIM,etc.) S&W revolver I've purchased in at least 15 years is this Model 360J scandium frame .38+P. I was intrigued when they first began showing up a few years back. Fit and finish is superb, action is very smooth, factory grips are perfect to tame recoil, so even at around 15 oz. It's not unpleasant to shoot. POA to POI at 7-10 yrds. is spot on. I guess I was just lucky with the QA/QC of this little gem
OLDSTER - totally off topic...but do you mind if I ask what kind of holster that is? I tried to make out the logo/writing on the bottom of the holster, but I can't see it well enough.
Thanks!
bigwheelzip
Absent Comrade
muddocktor
Member
I've only bought 2 of the "new" S&W revolvers that have the lock and frame mounted firing pin of all the ones at my house, so I can only grade them as to what I've experienced. As far as fit and finish goes, I personally feel that they are just a tad shy of the fit and finish of my older guns, but aren't bad at all by any means.
One was bought at a LGS and I inspected it pretty well before doing the paperwork on it. It was a 60-15 with 3" barrel and adjustable sights. I found the trigger pull to be a bit gritty feeling but figured it was just filthy inside from the manufacturing process and it was so when I removed the sideplate. But I also found a sharp edge on the MIM rebound slide which was cutting a very shallow groove in the frame, which I stoned down carefully. I also installed a 12 lb rebound slide spring when I buttoned it back up and after my wife and I shot a few hundred rounds through it, will put it's single and double action trigger pull against any of my older Smiths. A really fine weapon for what it is.
The other new S&W I bought is a 627-5 Pro I bought online from Bud's Guns. I received it and it looked good, with no canted barrel or other boo boos, but when I went to the range with it I was having some light strikes in double action that happened both with my reloads and also factory ammo. No problems in single action with either type of ammo though and it wasn't a loose strain screw. When I removed the grips and sideplate when I got home, I found that S&W was using a mainspring much like the newer Wolff mainsprings (maybe they are sourced from them?) with a rib on it. I had an extra Wolff regular strength power rib mainspring at the house and swapped it out for the S&W one. I also installed a lighter rebound slide spring at that time too. I found no other boogers inside and after cleaning and lubing it very lightly, went back to the range and have had no problems since with it and I would estimate it's had 2k-2.5k rounds through it since with zero problems.
So to summarize my experience with the new S&W revolvers, I found minor and easily correctable issues with both, but no major problems such as hard extraction or bad finish problems or anything of that nature. If S&W comes out with something new that strikes my fancy, I won't hesitate to buy either at a LGS or online. I know that S&W does stand behind their products 100%, so if I would happen to get a dud buying online, I know they will make it good.
One was bought at a LGS and I inspected it pretty well before doing the paperwork on it. It was a 60-15 with 3" barrel and adjustable sights. I found the trigger pull to be a bit gritty feeling but figured it was just filthy inside from the manufacturing process and it was so when I removed the sideplate. But I also found a sharp edge on the MIM rebound slide which was cutting a very shallow groove in the frame, which I stoned down carefully. I also installed a 12 lb rebound slide spring when I buttoned it back up and after my wife and I shot a few hundred rounds through it, will put it's single and double action trigger pull against any of my older Smiths. A really fine weapon for what it is.
The other new S&W I bought is a 627-5 Pro I bought online from Bud's Guns. I received it and it looked good, with no canted barrel or other boo boos, but when I went to the range with it I was having some light strikes in double action that happened both with my reloads and also factory ammo. No problems in single action with either type of ammo though and it wasn't a loose strain screw. When I removed the grips and sideplate when I got home, I found that S&W was using a mainspring much like the newer Wolff mainsprings (maybe they are sourced from them?) with a rib on it. I had an extra Wolff regular strength power rib mainspring at the house and swapped it out for the S&W one. I also installed a lighter rebound slide spring at that time too. I found no other boogers inside and after cleaning and lubing it very lightly, went back to the range and have had no problems since with it and I would estimate it's had 2k-2.5k rounds through it since with zero problems.
So to summarize my experience with the new S&W revolvers, I found minor and easily correctable issues with both, but no major problems such as hard extraction or bad finish problems or anything of that nature. If S&W comes out with something new that strikes my fancy, I won't hesitate to buy either at a LGS or online. I know that S&W does stand behind their products 100%, so if I would happen to get a dud buying online, I know they will make it good.
Thank you! How well does it conceal?
Sorry to hear of your problems. I too have had some issues with newer S&W revolvers (I own many, many. older ones). In October, took delivery of a new 327 and had to send it back to the Performance Center 3 times before they got the repair correct and still the cylinder drags on the frame when open and leaves a shinny spot but I'm not willing to go through another go round so I'll live with it (which is a shame on a $1,300.00 PERFORMANCE CENTER revolver). The last return required was a frame change (no explanation) and another DROS so I'm through with this revolver. I had never had a chance to shoot the new gun during all this.
On the other hand, just took delivery of a new Model 36 which is perfect in every way, fit, finish, action so it seems a cr4p shoot.
On the other hand, just took delivery of a new Model 36 which is perfect in every way, fit, finish, action so it seems a cr4p shoot.
Last edited:
bigwheelzip
Absent Comrade
Sorry, OLDSTER will need to answer that question. I only answered your manufacturer question because I could read the logo on the holster.
I've had to send new firearms of various makes back for repair under warranty. Stuff happens.
S&W
Ruger
Taurus
CZ
Springfield Armory
Auto Ordnance
The latest is a 2 week old EAA Tanfoglio Witness Hunter 10MM with a bad barrel, and if sending a new gun back for repair isn't aggravating enough, EAA makes you pay shipping both ways!
KO
S&W
Ruger
Taurus
CZ
Springfield Armory
Auto Ordnance
The latest is a 2 week old EAA Tanfoglio Witness Hunter 10MM with a bad barrel, and if sending a new gun back for repair isn't aggravating enough, EAA makes you pay shipping both ways!
KO
OLDSTER
Member
Yes, it's a Barsony. They are decent and attractively priced holsters, but surely not top of the line. But it works for me carrying OWB under a sweatshirt. Barsony has a nice web-site if you're interested.
Nailed it. Two words for you-Freedom Group. Look what they did to Kimber, Remington, and consequently Marlin. There are others. I heard they bought out Barnes. Is CT next?
Last edited:
TAC
Member
I'm disappointed that they let this gun leave the factory. I think the quality control there has issues.
S&W has always been known for quality that is why we pay a little more $$ for them.
Unfortunately, this is becoming more common. My best advice to anyone today, insist on fully inspecting a firearm, prior to purchasing, new, or used, when possible. But especially when they are new!
