In the world of S&W the V simply equals bare stainless steel. People love to call the E enhanced, but the word has never actually been associated with the designation of E. I presume it is a product code that means lower price, like E for essential. So just like with the SW9VE, the SD9VE is just an SD9 with a bare stainless slide that costs a little less to produce and thus can be sold for a little less. But since S&W is lowering the price point it does make one wonder of the SW9VE is on its way out of production.
S&W Releases New SD9 VE and SD40 VE
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Id say so the SD has been out for a while so it has been tested, with the price so close there just isnt any real reason to keep the Sigma alive any more. It would come down to sales of Sigma vs cost of running a separate production line. My guess is they will see if the new SDVE sells more than the Sigma if so then no more Sigma
Knightrider03m
Member
Why just why? The SDVE line is just $10 more (MSRP) than the Sigma. Why don't Smith and Wesson just kill the SD line OR kill the Sigma line.
For me I'm glad to see the SDVE come out. This will make Sigmas leave stores in used,excellant conditions for cheap prices. The last 2 sigmas I bought were 425.00 total!!! Triggers after several hundred rounds much better. And they only make qualification w/ my dept.'s M&P 40 much better. I had been holding off on an SD purchase,but something tells me before this summers over I'll have an SDVE in my household!!!
Because, if you kill the SD you won't sell the SD buyer a Sigma, and if you kill the Sigma you won't sell the Sigma buyer an SD.
S&W might as well use the tooling they have bought, and use the labor force they have, to make both and cover the market.
The gun is an SD (which is no longer offered on their website) all they did was ditch the finish and night sight to save money. With only a $10 difference from the Sigma I just don't see the Sigma lasting long before they pull it. Basically its a much improved Sigma for only $10 more so why would anyone want the Sigma? With modern CNC machines all you have to do is load them with a new program.
Why wouldn't a Sigma buyer buy a SD for only $10 more if the Sigma was not available? I would and will!
Smith: Hey Wesson, I cancelled the SD line.
Wesson: What? I loved that one!
Smith: Well, we were out of the front sights so....
Wesson: But we still have a cases and cases of the lower thingabobs and unfinished slides!
Smith: Hmmmm.......
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Wesson: What? I loved that one!
Smith: Well, we were out of the front sights so....
Wesson: But we still have a cases and cases of the lower thingabobs and unfinished slides!
Smith: Hmmmm.......
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EXERCISINGTHE2ND
Member
Why not use the manufacturing capacity of the Sigma or SD for the M&P lines? The Shield & Pro Series are in extremely short supply and higher volume could lower price or just fill demand.
As most of us multiple weapon owners know - it all started with ONE. Maybe S&W's new slogan should be "Can't just buy one!" So one entry level than move to M&Ps.
As most of us multiple weapon owners know - it all started with ONE. Maybe S&W's new slogan should be "Can't just buy one!" So one entry level than move to M&Ps.
Id say because the SD, Sigma, SDVE move more volume than the M&P line. Most first time gun owners look at price more than anything. The Sigma and now the SDVE can not be touched as far as price vs value. The SDVE is such a better value compared to the overpriced Glock with plastic sights.....man I hope they bring back the 2 free mag deal that was the best money I ever spent. Under $300 out the door with 4 mags.
But with the M&P there are many different choices at that price point that are about on equal grounds with the M&P.
Smith and Wesson's own press release says VE stands for value enhanced. I got this off of S&W's facebook page, leads to a PDF.
http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson2/upload/other/NEWsd940ve.pdf
Personally I think "value enhanced" sounds like a spin for cheap. It may be a spin for cheap but it doesn't have to sound like it. They should come up with something different.
cbr6864 said:
porkchop said:
Great questions, guys! While I am no Grand Vizier of Marketing, I would bet that 'killing' either the SD or the Sigma would not result in buyers switching to the 'other' gun just because it was available.
Buyers are funny, and I don't think the $10 means a lot either way. It could be any difference in how the guns feel, or subtle difference in the appearance. Shoot, it might come down to the buyer thinking that the "Sigma" has a 'real' name and the "SD" sounds like a computer component...
I also bet they aren't running all of their assembly lines full blast on any one product, but instead they run until they have some calculated amount of shelf stock and they then switch to another model.
Anyway, this is my $0.02 worth of opinion.
Enjoy shooting, and shoot many guns!
Shark88
Member
Seems like S&W kept this new model hush hush, I posted about 2 weeks ago we couldn't get Sigmas anymore and I think most of you thought I was nuts. I even sent them an email asking about discontinuing the Sigmas and didn't get an answer back. I guess they wanted to keep it quiet and this is what they were planning all along. I'm anxious to see the new ones at work soon.
Skeptic 9c
Member
A brief review: The Firearm Blog » S&W Nerfs the Model SD: Introducing the Model S&W SD40 VE
I don't like the SD frame "feel" as much as I do the Sigma. I like the SD trigger better
I don't like the SD frame "feel" as much as I do the Sigma. I like the SD trigger better
Agree my Sigma feels much better than my SD the SD feels thicker but shorter from front to back. But the rest of frame is much thinner than the SD.
KyWstJoe
US Veteran
Quite a price drop and retailing at $320. should fly off the shelves. Like a Sigma with a better trigger.
Glad I got my Sigma when I did...and yes looks just like a Sigma. I paid 249.00 for my 9VE, I hope the difference is the trigger pull...then again I dont want two Sigmas, even if they call it something else.
Skeptic 9c
Member
I thought the VE meant Victory over Europe (Gl*ck) excuse my Austrian.
Geoff
Who notes his wife likes the grip and trigger on the Sigma 9VE.
