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Is that the them dueling banjos I'm hearing?
Saw Some Guy OC'ing Today. Scary!
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ChattanoogaPhil
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The old OC bugaboo, surfaces every couple of days. Same ol' extremist(see, I can use that term also) arguments.
I never knew just how extreme I was until I began talking to some gun owners on the Net.
What if Things Change?
Where I live, our permit is issued for five years. Upon renewal, you must disclose all your prescription drugs. So, if in the interim, you start having bouts of depression and a doctor places you on anti-depressants, you can lose your permit for being on these drugs and you can also lose the permit for not disclosing this fact, if they find out.
My point is that perhaps something has changed in this man's life since he acquired his handgun or the right to carry it. If someone is no longer competent to have guns, for any reason including war injuries, then either preemptively deny him the right to have guns are we can wait until wipes out his immediate family or takes out a shopping mall. Most won't turn violent but there's always that one tenth of one percent that will.
Open carry in urban areas may upset many people not accustomed to seeing guns on civilians. If you're in law enforcement and you have dissected hundreds, if not thousands of use-of-force incidents, you quickly learn that more gun battles are lost through faulty mindset, judgment and tactics than anything else. In my opinion, open carry is a major tactical error but this has been beaten to death in many of the major gun forums and those who open carry are not likely to change.
Where I live, our permit is issued for five years. Upon renewal, you must disclose all your prescription drugs. So, if in the interim, you start having bouts of depression and a doctor places you on anti-depressants, you can lose your permit for being on these drugs and you can also lose the permit for not disclosing this fact, if they find out.
My point is that perhaps something has changed in this man's life since he acquired his handgun or the right to carry it. If someone is no longer competent to have guns, for any reason including war injuries, then either preemptively deny him the right to have guns are we can wait until wipes out his immediate family or takes out a shopping mall. Most won't turn violent but there's always that one tenth of one percent that will.
Open carry in urban areas may upset many people not accustomed to seeing guns on civilians. If you're in law enforcement and you have dissected hundreds, if not thousands of use-of-force incidents, you quickly learn that more gun battles are lost through faulty mindset, judgment and tactics than anything else. In my opinion, open carry is a major tactical error but this has been beaten to death in many of the major gun forums and those who open carry are not likely to change.
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And those that support a persons right to carry in the manner they deem suitable for themselves have been called "pioneer heroes, fanatic, idiots, dumb, etc" And the best one, some have "started in those(youtube) videos"Yup. Anyone not in uniform OCing in Home Depot falls into three categories--"Mentally retarded", "tactical idiot" or "dopey".
must have meant, starred, in those videos.I'm sure the British used many if not all of those same terms, except of course the youtube reference, towards any of their subjects who got out of line.
Oh btw, people's natural God given rights are not to be surrendered because a majority(if that even were the case) decided they disagreed.
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I will be open carrying in the upper pennensula in a couple of weeks. Going to do some hiking and sightseeing. 
Hope nobody messes with me.
Hope nobody messes with me.
Why? So it can be repeatedly answered?
Not to disparage you or anything since I know you didn't write the laws, but that sounds to me like a sure fire way to discourage people from seeking the help they need for fear of the repercussions you stated.
Right, because anyone with a disability or PTSD has the potential to turn into a mass murderer at the drop of a hat, ergo we should strip those people of their civil rights without due process post haste "before another tragedy occurs." Swell worldview.
There's an old saying: "Repetition aids learning."
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Handicapped person's have right's, it's a Federal Law. The
Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990. And you better not infringe on their rights. It's the Law!
Can't discriminate against them...no way shape or form.
Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990. And you better not infringe on their rights. It's the Law!
Can't discriminate against them...no way shape or form.
My understanding is that we were all endowed by our Creator with rights, not granted them through the good graces of politicians.
My understanding is that we were all endowed by our Creator with rights, not granted them through the good graces of politicians.
or surrendered to some alleged majority of opinion.
It was a stainless 1911 with the hammer back and safety on. Two stainless mags on his weak side. Since 1911's are made by so many manufacturers, who knows what manufacturer made it?
Jeez. People who are gonna tl me hey can't tell when a person is mentally challenged? Do I know if it was autism or aspergers? Of course not. Never claimed to be a doctor. All I know is I am concerned when I see a person who probably got extra time on all his tests in school ( it's called an IEP- individual education plan) or more likely due to his age wasn't even mainstreamed into a regular class, carrying a deadly weapon where you DONT get extra time to make a decision, I don't like it. When I see a person of apparently normal intelligence who doesn't require an aide to follow him around, I just think "here comes Rambo" since I never see it near me. Pretty much everybody I know around here owns guns. Most carry them concealed
So now we're at "Anyone who had an IEP can't carry a gun?"
I wasn't going to chime in but your continual ranting is leaving me a little worried about the state of your mental health. Have you spoken with a professional lately? If not you might want to consider it as it may help you with all of the pent up aggression and anger you're feeling that is being expressed towards anonymous strangers. I mean no offense I'm just judging you through a few minutes of reading your posts on an internet forum...
You seem fixated on Adam Lanzaa his mother didn't allow him to have the gun he killed her and took it.
It's been asked again and again if you were that concerned why didn't you call the police and voice your concerns?
If I was that freaked out I would have been on the phone.
It has been answered again and again. On this thread.
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So......
Do you ever go to public or private gun ranges/clubs in Michigan? If so, why? By your own admission you suspect that anyone without a license could be a dangerous nut for all you know.
Now, given your admission, and the fact that Michigan has absolutely ZERO licensing requirement for the ownership of any type of firearms, would you be considered a hypocrite if you said "yes, I do go to shooting ranges and don't feel uneasy at all"?
Think it through before answering, will ya?
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Have you ever filed out an ATF Form 4473? If so, why don't you know that it is illegal to be in possession of a firearm after being declared mentally incompetent?
Oh, wait, I see the rub. You want that declaration to be made at your discretion, or at some bureaucrat/doctor's discretion, and to hell with due process.
Be careful what you wish for, because you just might get it.
Oh, and don't presume that you can declare who is and who is not an extremist in this debate. You don't rate that.
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Glad you made it home safely.
Don't recall anyone making so many assumptions on this forum, ever.
It seems to me that the opinion of someone being an extremist is subjective. So I have to ask, are you then the person who decides what subjective opinion anyone "rates" the right to have?
Ain't that the truth!
Edited to add (and not directed at you, ladder13): Just so we're clear, there are indeed people who I opine shouldn't own firearms, but the difference between some of the posters who've spoken and myself is that I don't advocate summarily stripping people I don't like of their civil rights without due process. Furthermore, I also believe in "innocent until proven guilty" and the old adage that "eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." If you believe it's moral to petition TPTB to pre-emptively disenfranchise groups of people you don't like with the stroke of a pen based on little more than personal conceit and paranoia, then perhaps YOU shouldn't own firearms. That's my opinion.
Oh, and also...
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Good question.
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Kinda keeps diggin' himself in deeper and deeper, don't he?
No, I don't buy it. If you really believe that the person is that out of it that you really have a concern about them carrying a gun you call the cops and you let the cops figure it out.
We don't know what really happened and we don't know what the OP saw that he percieved as that disconcerting (other than the actual OC itself) b ut if I saw a person that I honestly judged to be mentally impaired walking around with a gun I'd call the cops if they didn't come that's not on me.
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off duty when they have the choice basically all LEO's carry concealed, the statistics are out there that cops get killed with their own weapon all the time.
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Hey guys,
It's fine to have lively discussion and pointed arguments, but let's not make it personal.
It's fine to have lively discussion and pointed arguments, but let's not make it personal.
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