Scope + Red Dot

[SWNewb]

Just curious to see how many of you guys are running Scopes + Red Dot, mounted at the same time??

It seems like a "best of both worlds" combo, but I thought I'd ask to see if anyone is running this and happy with the results.

I'd like to use my 15-22 for 25yds - 200yds on the same day and I'm trying to figure out the optimal setup for <$250.

Overall thoughts?

This is what I was thinking (just to show what it would like), but I'd like to build my own setup with the optics + red dot of my choice - 223 4X Scope and Mini Red Dot Combo Great Deal | eBay

If I went through with this, what mount would I use to hold the red dot to the scope?

 

[jagular]

It will depend on the scope. I have the primary arms 4x compact scope and it has rails at 9 and 3 o'clock. So, you could technically mount a reflex at those positions. I'm not sure if I can help you out on any other scopes that have rails.

I prefer to pick a setup for how I'm shooting and keep them separate. Keeps the weight down and the mall ninjas at bay.

 

[SWNewb]

With that setup it looks like the mount is already included and attached to the scope for the red dot. So, you would need any additional mount. I have the primary arms 4x compact scope on mine and it serves its purpose for 25-100 yards. Also, check out the vortex strikefire. It includes a 2x magnifier.

I posted that just as an example of what the combo would look like...

Thank you for the info but I checked out the strikefire and I don't think it would fit the bill b/c folks are saying it's not very effective past 100yds.

I prefer to pick a setup for how I'm shooting and keep them separate. Keeps the weight down and the mall ninjas at bay.

I hear ya...trying to keep the junk down on the gun. But I would imagine there is a way to build a good setup for close and medium distance shooting (w/o breaking the bank)

 

[Rundover]

I think an issue with that setup would be difficulty in seeing and adjusting the elevation setting of the scope. An alternative would be to get a 45* offset rail mount and attach the red dot to it. This way the scope can be totally accessible and all you need to do is rotate the rifle 45* to use the red dot. This also allows you to choose almost any scope and red dot you want.

 

[Fishinfool]

I run this rig on an AR-15. It's a Burris 2x7 scope along with a Burris Fastfire ll holographic red dot sight mounted on a Burris scope ring with a picatinny top. Works well.

Larry

 

[photoracer]

Yeah but the problem with mounting it high on the scope is the increased parallax and bore axis separation. It reduces the effective point blank range of the dot. That is why the prefered method is to mount the red dot on a 45 degree offset mount on the top rail of the upper receiver. This is how 3-gun shooters in the Open division (like Jerry) do it. Or you can buy 45 degree offset irons like many 3-gun Tac Optics division shooters do. The originals from Barry Dueck cost over $200 but there are cheap clones in the $55 range per set. That is what I have, Dueck's on my 3-gun AR and clones on the 15-22 I use for practice. My 3-gun AR uses a Burris MTAC 1-4x24 scope ($399) which works very well at 1x similar to a red dot for close range but at 4x the CQB reticle allows me to potentially engage steel targets out as far as 600 yards (have only done the 300 yard targets at the 3-gun matches I shoot at). My 15-22 practice rifle uses a Sniper, Inc. 1-4x28 BDC type scope ($140). Reticle was as close as I could get for under $150.

 

[Fishinfool]

By mounting on top of the ring, I have only to slightly lift my head for a clear sight picture using the red dot, which works well for the close ranges I use this sight for.

Mounting it at 45 degrees works as well, but forces you to reposition the gun for a good sight picture, a little slower, for me anyway. And now that slightly higher above bore issue has been moved to slightly to the right of bore axis...

But, either method will work, really depends what you like.

Larry

 

[roadkill45]

i use the offset off the top rail with irons like above, just a little tilt. i would like an RMR but can't justify the cost for the 15-22 and all my other rifles are all ready set up for short shots.

 

[SWNewb]

Thanks for all the info guys.

But, either method will work, really depends what you like.

Larry

I think you hit the nail on the head Larry. I'm going to try mounting the red dot @ 45deg and also on top of the scope....at different times of course, no mall ninja stuff.

As time goes on, I'm sure one will emerge that I prefer shooting.

I also found this today and may give it a try instead of the red dot to start off...$30

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[RedNeck Jim]

I'd like to use my 15-22 for 25yds - 200yds on the same day

Curious why you would want to shoot a .22 at such a range from a gun that is not designed for accuracy? That seems pretty far, even for an accurate bolt action rifle.

How much bullet drop do you have at 200 yards?

 

[SWNewb]

Curious why you would want to shoot a .22 at such a range from a gun that is not designed for accuracy? That seems pretty far, even for an accurate bolt action rifle.

How much bullet drop do you have at 200 yards?

More for the challenge and fun of doing it. If I used a high powered rifle and scope it wouldn't be as challenging

 

[RedNeck Jim]

More for the challenge and fun of doing it. If I used a high powered rifle and scope it wouldn't be as challenging

You are obviously a much better shot than this country boy. I find 200 yards+ challenging on my AR, no matter what scope I use. If I tried with my 15-22 I would think I would look like I was shooting birds out of the sky.