SEARCHING FOR THE MOST "ACCURATE"
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IMHO, the S&W performance center model 952 is extremely accurate for taget shooting but might not be a good for CCW because it is no comparison to a 1911 on realiability and accuracy combined. If you must have a 9MM with accuracy and more importantly realiability, then have one custom made on a 1911 platform, officer or commander size. I believe that Baer arms have full size 1911 in 9MM and the price is lower than a Wilson Combat (not sure on the wait time). I personally have both S&W PC 952 and PC 1911 and they are both extremely accurate than I am able to shoot but the 1911 is much easier to shoot with accuracy than the 952 which is less forgiving on shooter errors.
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Smitty357
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If you are looking for accuracy you may as well not look for a polymer pistol. IMO, id look more into a small 1911 style such as a Kimber Ultra Carry. I personally have one and hands down my polymer CC pistols cant hang with it at the range. Now when it comes to how the weapon conceals and carries. Then my kimber cant compare to my polymers.
Accuracy lies in the hands of the beholder. Just because im more accurate with one weapon does not mean that you will be more accurate with that particular weapon. I believe you should rent a few at the ramge and see which one you are more comfy with. See which one shoots better in your hands. Then, you will have the answer you are looking for.
Accuracy lies in the hands of the beholder. Just because im more accurate with one weapon does not mean that you will be more accurate with that particular weapon. I believe you should rent a few at the ramge and see which one you are more comfy with. See which one shoots better in your hands. Then, you will have the answer you are looking for.
After reading responses, nobody mentioned the "best" IMO - HK P7M8.
bimmerland
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I have 2 to consider. Kimber Aegis 25 oz. Extremely accurate for a 3" and a Shield with Truglo sights and apex trigger. Both 9mm and very concealable and very accurate.
vfin
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Three words answers the OP's question:
Heckler & Koch HK30 !
End of story (if ya got the money to buy one).
vfin
Heckler & Koch HK30 !
End of story (if ya got the money to buy one).
vfin
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Another Vote for P7M8
I agree with the earlier posters that the HK P7M8 would be a superb choice for a highly accurate, reliable 9mm ccw. Although there enhancements that can be added, there are many good liability arguments for carrying a stock, unmodified weapon raised in this thread. In fact, a stock P7M8 is my carry weapon.
Any number of the other weapons mentioned could enhanced by adding a Crimson Trace laser grip which would facilitate accuracy. Alas, the P7M8 is not one of them.
Another possibility not mentioned by anyone else would be a Kahr T9; I am less enamored of the smaller versions of the Kahrs such as the MK9 and PM9 series based upon the way they fit in my hand. However, that being said, I tried a drill where the scenario was that I was in a mall where a madman with a rifle was about to start running amok. I had one shot to end the engagement and with only pistol at hand. Mind you I am not a regular user of the PM9 but was able to get off a snapshot at 25 meters that hit a human sized target square in the throat (I was aiming for the head on a static target). I am not certain that I would want to take that shot in a crowded mall, but the point is that even with an unfamiliar, highly compact semi auto with a very limited sight radius, there is more than sufficient accuracy at something beyond conversation range.
Your mileage may vary.
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Swelfelo
I agree with the earlier posters that the HK P7M8 would be a superb choice for a highly accurate, reliable 9mm ccw. Although there enhancements that can be added, there are many good liability arguments for carrying a stock, unmodified weapon raised in this thread. In fact, a stock P7M8 is my carry weapon.
Any number of the other weapons mentioned could enhanced by adding a Crimson Trace laser grip which would facilitate accuracy. Alas, the P7M8 is not one of them.
Another possibility not mentioned by anyone else would be a Kahr T9; I am less enamored of the smaller versions of the Kahrs such as the MK9 and PM9 series based upon the way they fit in my hand. However, that being said, I tried a drill where the scenario was that I was in a mall where a madman with a rifle was about to start running amok. I had one shot to end the engagement and with only pistol at hand. Mind you I am not a regular user of the PM9 but was able to get off a snapshot at 25 meters that hit a human sized target square in the throat (I was aiming for the head on a static target). I am not certain that I would want to take that shot in a crowded mall, but the point is that even with an unfamiliar, highly compact semi auto with a very limited sight radius, there is more than sufficient accuracy at something beyond conversation range.
Your mileage may vary.
Regards,
Swelfelo
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nachogrande
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MOST ACCURATE 9MM CC
I don't believe there really is ONE that would be the very best for EVERYONE. RU looking for a show off piece to make friends jealous, that would break your heart if you ever had to use it for s/d and it got confiscated temporarily/permanently, or damaged? or a plain Jane that will work fine to show your enemies and not really bother you if it got confiscated. I'm sure there are plenty of custom shops that would be more than happy to take your money. in all honesty I doubt you would have time to waste lining up sights in a fast/close s/d situation anyway. unless you have Bill gates money I'd go with some of the ideas mentioned previously of reliability, conceal-ability, personal preference (how it feels in hand) and accuracy last.
I don't believe there really is ONE that would be the very best for EVERYONE. RU looking for a show off piece to make friends jealous, that would break your heart if you ever had to use it for s/d and it got confiscated temporarily/permanently, or damaged? or a plain Jane that will work fine to show your enemies and not really bother you if it got confiscated. I'm sure there are plenty of custom shops that would be more than happy to take your money. in all honesty I doubt you would have time to waste lining up sights in a fast/close s/d situation anyway. unless you have Bill gates money I'd go with some of the ideas mentioned previously of reliability, conceal-ability, personal preference (how it feels in hand) and accuracy last.
My Wilson ULC in 9mm is super accurate, reliable and reasonably workable (with a shoulder rig) for CC. HK P7M8 would also be an absolutely excellent choice(IMHO). Oh, and my SW 442 with Crimson trace grips makes a whole where the red dot is every time and fits neatly in the front pocket of my jeans in a PCS pocket holster.
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hindu.hendrickson
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What about some obvious S&W choices
A 3913 or a 6906. Both reliable and accurate and if you still desire the PC can do your upgrades.
A 3913 or a 6906. Both reliable and accurate and if you still desire the PC can do your upgrades.
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OP, you neglected to tell us HOW you plan to CC. That has to affect your choice of pistol. Ankle carry? IWB? OWB? Shoulder holster? Pocket? Your body type and size are also important to know. My M&P 9C is more accurate than I am with the right ammunition, but won't fit into a pocket. I do carry it from time to time IWB and OWB depending on my clothing and situation, and even with a shoulder holster when necessary.
The hyper-accuracy issues you seem to seek can be worked out on ANY high quality pistol with the right gunsmith.
The hyper-accuracy issues you seem to seek can be worked out on ANY high quality pistol with the right gunsmith.
Dirtman
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There are many very good carry guns available. My personal carry gun is a little S & W 442 with Crimson Trace laser grips. It's light and easy to conceal and carry, even in the warmer months here in Texas. The laser takes care of the accuracy angle.
I find that the best carry gun is one you can easily carry that can go with you to the alley or the grocery store. Some guns are like carrying a brick around, you soon get tired of that!
I find that the best carry gun is one you can easily carry that can go with you to the alley or the grocery store. Some guns are like carrying a brick around, you soon get tired of that!
hindu.hendrickson
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I'm a bit confused, but let me add to my earlier post. I just went back and re-read your post. You state you want a Smith for CCW but want a 5" barrel??? The MOST accurate weapon I own (with me shooting) is a 5906 Tactical. With the word "tactical" these go through the manufacturing process with the frame and slide as a set so there is no slop that you refer to. Though I have never had a Smith myself that I would refer to as sloppy period. I still feel it is a bit big for ccw and i go at 6'2" 230 so again I refer back to my earlier recommendations. Along with a 6906 you can add a grip-plus-2 mag extension for the 5906 magazine and have 15 + 1 in the chamber at your disposal. Yes S&W has a Performance Center for all to use.
I'm a bit confused, but let me add to my earlier post. I just went back and re-read your post. You state you want a Smith for CCW but want a 5" barrel??? The MOST accurate weapon I own (with me shooting) is a 5906 Tactical. With the word "tactical" these go through the manufacturing process with the frame and slide as a set so there is no slop that you refer to. Though I have never had a Smith myself that I would refer to as sloppy period. I still feel it is a bit big for ccw and i go at 6'2" 230 so again I refer back to my earlier recommendations. Along with a 6906 you can add a grip-plus-2 mag extension for the 5906 magazine and have 15 + 1 in the chamber at your disposal. Yes S&W has a Performance Center for all to use.
Drop a Storm Lake barrel in your Glock 19 and be done with it.
HaroldB
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Since you know you shoot your 226 accurately,
I'd try a VMII or Super-Tuck holster and see how well they feel.
I'm very comfortable carrying CCW with either and know I'll hit well at distance.
I'd try a VMII or Super-Tuck holster and see how well they feel.
I'm very comfortable carrying CCW with either and know I'll hit well at distance.
photoracer
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As a competition shooter I feel that saying one particular brand and model of gun is more accurate than another is somewhat ludicrous. Saying you want the most accuracy depends on your definition. The gun that shoots the tightest groups at 25 yards off a rest may not be a great gun to use in combat as a lot of other factors come into play. Any gun can be made more accurate with work. I have carried a lot of different firearms CCW in my life from revolvers to semi-autos. Currently my primary gun is an HK USP Compact in 357 Sig, a cartridge I consider a much superior solution to a plain 9mm. But for deep carry I also use a Walther PPK/S in .380. At 15 yards I can put every round on a 4" plate rapid fire. More accuracy than that is meaningless as long as you can do the same thing under stress.
My preferred accuracy "platform" is a double stacked 1911/2011. No hinged or striker fire trigger gun has as good a trigger as a properly setup straight pull 1911/2011 no matter what you do to it. But anything can be shot accurately and fast with practice. I would have no problem shooting an M&P 9 Pro, XDm, or Glock 17L in competition as I have tried these from friends of mine. But I use either an STI or an Israeli Bul M-5. Both will allow 20 rds in a standard mag. Both can be worked on by any competent 1911 gunsmith or even me. And a 5" barrel is not really needed especially for carry. My current 3-gun and IDPA pistol is a Bul M-5 Commander (4.25") and I do have CCW holster for it. It may replace my HK down the road.
I think your 229 would be a better gun for CCW than your 226 as it is smaller. Install the factory short trigger and tune the spring rates to what you want to shoot and it would be fine also. I used to shoot a P229 Sport in Open pistol competition before going the 2011 route.
My feeling is you need to get a better handle on what you want the pistol for, really. Someone else's opinion may not be the right choice for you.
My preferred accuracy "platform" is a double stacked 1911/2011. No hinged or striker fire trigger gun has as good a trigger as a properly setup straight pull 1911/2011 no matter what you do to it. But anything can be shot accurately and fast with practice. I would have no problem shooting an M&P 9 Pro, XDm, or Glock 17L in competition as I have tried these from friends of mine. But I use either an STI or an Israeli Bul M-5. Both will allow 20 rds in a standard mag. Both can be worked on by any competent 1911 gunsmith or even me. And a 5" barrel is not really needed especially for carry. My current 3-gun and IDPA pistol is a Bul M-5 Commander (4.25") and I do have CCW holster for it. It may replace my HK down the road.
I think your 229 would be a better gun for CCW than your 226 as it is smaller. Install the factory short trigger and tune the spring rates to what you want to shoot and it would be fine also. I used to shoot a P229 Sport in Open pistol competition before going the 2011 route.
My feeling is you need to get a better handle on what you want the pistol for, really. Someone else's opinion may not be the right choice for you.
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There are many good guns that will fit your needs. The three that I would suggest is the Springfield Armory 9MM EMP, the CZ 9MM RAMI, or last the Sig 239, Each has pinpoint accuracy, good trigger pulls, and are good CC pistols.
The EMP is a good 1911 style, can be purchased with night sights. The CZ RAMI holds 10 to 14 rounds and can be purchased with a decoker or 1911 style safety. The Sig 239 with a short reset trigger and night sights will shoot 1 in groups all day long as long as you do your part. The Sig 239 can be purchased with all of the sharp edges removed at the factory, for no snag draws.
Try to find a shop or a person that has one or more of these guns and see for yourself (I recommend that you try any style gun that you are considering for CC before you purchase).
The EMP is a good 1911 style, can be purchased with night sights. The CZ RAMI holds 10 to 14 rounds and can be purchased with a decoker or 1911 style safety. The Sig 239 with a short reset trigger and night sights will shoot 1 in groups all day long as long as you do your part. The Sig 239 can be purchased with all of the sharp edges removed at the factory, for no snag draws.
Try to find a shop or a person that has one or more of these guns and see for yourself (I recommend that you try any style gun that you are considering for CC before you purchase).
chicagoslim
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My Shield 9, carries like a J-frame, and shoots like a full size gun. I'll be 60 years old, this month, and even with my old prescription, I can see the sights well enough to shoot accurately. Better than I can shoot my model 36, 3", with adjustable sights.
However my most accurate handgun, is my CZ75B Compact. With a 3.8" barrel, 14 round magazine and an alloy frame, it only weighs 27 oz. empty.
However my most accurate handgun, is my CZ75B Compact. With a 3.8" barrel, 14 round magazine and an alloy frame, it only weighs 27 oz. empty.
STORMINORMAN
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I think this post is 100% troll: IMHO desiring a 5" barrel (match, of course) + cu$tom action job$ + UNOBTANIUM guide rod$, etc. have NOTHING AT ALL to do with rational concealed carry, and anyone who has been shooting for "45 years" would be well aware of that.
Accuracy has to do with hitting your target: I'd suggest a sawed-off 12 gauge.
I'll apologise in advance if I'm wrong but, just face it: most of the hardware the o/p named would be more than accurate enough for concealed carry. Like you really need a 1" group for all the one's that are misses...
Cheers!
Accuracy has to do with hitting your target: I'd suggest a sawed-off 12 gauge.
I'll apologise in advance if I'm wrong but, just face it: most of the hardware the o/p named would be more than accurate enough for concealed carry. Like you really need a 1" group for all the one's that are misses...
Cheers!
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