Seecamp LWS .380????

[jsfricks]

While I've not personally owned a Seecamp, I have 3 friends who own them and I have shot all 3. I've yet to see one fire reliably. According to them, you must use a specific type and brand of ammo and even with that none of the 3 have worked anywhere close to reliable.

The Mag's are very expensive and hard to obtain and while quite compact and comfortable to carry I'm in the ".380 is a Mouse gun" court.

The ONLY compact .380 I have seen, tried and used with 100% reliability so far has been the Colt (all steel) Mustang Pocket that was releases a few years ago. It is a VERY WELL made gun - however it's still a .380 although you can use all kinds of ammo in that one.

I really think if one don't own a certain gun that you shouldn't comment about it. Your statements are ALL false!
My Seecamp 32 is very reliable with two different defensive loads.
Mags are easily obtained through Seecamp for $34.95.
All three caliber Seecamp feed perfectly if you use the ammo that Larry Seecamp built the gun around.
I carry mine everywhere. When anything else is too big are too time consuming to put on mine sits in a Del Fatti front pocket holster ready to do its job if needed. There are people out there that give Seecamps a bad name because they "heard something" or someone didn't know how to use it.
To the OP, go to the Seecamp forum and do some reading. These can't be beat for a small gun!

 

[gm272gs]

I always thought they were door stops or wheel chocks.
Bought and sold them over the years and don't believe that I ever had more than $100 in one. I feel a bit silly. Should have kept them and cashed in now.

 

[jsfricks]

Well what can I say? The 3 SC's are owned by three different people and they were shooting the ammo that was recommended (Winchester Silvertips as I recall) as well. I guess they just got 3 lemons. At the time the mag's were on a long Back Order and more than $35 bucks, but since I do not own one I have not kept track of Seecamp happenings.

The new Silvertips that are made today are not the same bullet or same quality as when Larry recommended them. If you measure each one you'll see what I mean. Your friends should try Speer Gold Dot or Federal Critical Defense. Both of these function fine in mine. Once you find what works stick with it. Here's a good chart to show the difference in size compared to other guns.
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B22wLsyYEkTOMDU4MjJlNTktOTRlZi00NTJkLWE0MGMtZmEwNGFlMWE3ZDlm&hl=en_US

 

[jsfricks]

How do these compare in quality and size wise to the cz 50 & cz 70?

How much is the seecamp pistol?

Bill, you can usually find them under $500 for a new one from dealers on Gunbrokers.

 

[Jim1392]

Based on what I have read here I am going to hold off on a Seecamp. I get that it is a quality piece. For now I'll shoot a friend's BB .25 awhile and then decide.

Thanks for all the feedback.

I know you said you wanted to hold off on the Seecamp but I just wanted to mention I just noticed one on this forums guns for sale. It's new with holster and ammo. P.S. I'm not the seller or nor do I know the seller. It looks tempting if your into Seecamp's

 

[ladder13]

How do these compare in quality and size wise to the cz 50 & cz 70?

How much is the seecamp pistol?

My 380 was one of the first production runs by Larry, he gave people with a 32 a heads up on the 380's.
Mine was ~ 750, and I'm happy to have it. It's been flawless thru 200 rds.

 

[Rule3]

The Seecamps hold their value.

As to size look at the chart. You will not find a better made gun that is this small.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B22...kLWE0MGMtZmEwNGFlMWE3ZDlm/edit?hl=en_US&pli=1

 

[Rule3]

I just looked on the website and there was a 32 and a 380 for sale but they are gone, they never last long so they must be doing something right. Only members with 20 posts can access the for sale section.

 

[chief38]

I really think if one don't own a certain gun that you shouldn't comment about it. Your statements are ALL false!
My Seecamp 32 is very reliable with two different defensive loads.
Mags are easily obtained through Seecamp for $34.95.
All three caliber Seecamp feed perfectly if you use the ammo that Larry Seecamp built the gun around.
I carry mine everywhere. When anything else is too big are too time consuming to put on mine sits in a Del Fatti front pocket holster ready to do its job if needed. There are people out there that give Seecamps a bad name because they "heard something" or someone didn't know how to use it.
To the OP, go to the Seecamp forum and do some reading. These can't be beat for a small gun!

I DO NOT own one but that does not preclude me from making an educated statement from 3 guns I have personally shot. NOT hearsay, NOT articles I read somewhere, but I did actually shoot all three on numerous occasions! You don't need to own a Ferrari but if you have driven one on three separate occasions you are certainly entitled to form an opinion or make true statements on your driving experience and how the vehicle performed.

I take offense to you claiming my statements are false as they are as true as any I have ever made. They may be hurting to your "Seecamp ownership" or your personal experience, but I have no personal gripe against Seecamp and have only stated exactly what I have personally witnessed and experienced. Had it been only one out of the three I would not have even bothered to post this, but NONE of the three guns were reliable.

I own plenty of Smiths and Colts and not only have I seen "lemons" from those two Company's, I actually had one that was so bad even Smith could not repair it so they issued me a new one with the same serial number. I still buy and collect Smiths, but they still do ship a lemon from time to time. Maybe when Seecamp was THE BADEST BOY IN TOWN he was rushing them to market - who knows?

As far as the Mag's are concerned, when one of my friends who at the time owned one tried to get another mag. he was told they were back ordered and would have to wait a while and they were NOT available at any LGS's. That was years ago, so I do not know what the situation is now. I am talking about the period when Seecamp was all the rage and I guess extra Mag's were really in demand.

None of the three Seecamps that I shot are still owned by my friends as they all sold them so I could not even suggest to them to try new ammo that might not have been available back then.
If you like yours then keep it, but don't go calling my statements false just because you don't like what my true experiences were.

Oh, and just for the record my comments were on the Seecamp 380's NOT the .32's

Chief38

 

[Abbotson]

I had a .32 and enjoyed it. Ammo is really the limiting factor. Buy several hundred rounds of something it likes. Sold it and bought an LCP. Haven't regretted it for one second.

 

[ASA335]

Love my Seecamp!

I've had the .32 for a while. Very well made, reliable with the right ammo, easy to conceal, and shoots very well (within reasonable self defense distances) even without any sights. I've posted this pic before, but this gun's accuracy hasn't changed in the five or so years I've had it. As I recall, this was my group at seven yards shortly after I first got this gun.

 

[Double-O-Dave]

How do these compare in quality and size wise to the cz 50 & cz 70?

How much is the seecamp pistol?

Big Bill: the attached photo should give you an idea of the size between the Seecamp and CZ-70. The Seecamp is a small pistol. Even my petite 18 yr. old daughter can only get 1.5 fingers on the grip. Quality-wise, you need to understand that the Seecamp is literally built by hand in small production runs. The CZ is a fine pistol, well-engineered, and well built, but it was made on an assembly line. Cost wise, I've seen used .32ACP Seecamps go in the $500.00 range.

Best of luck,

Dave