Seeking Input: Impressions RE: 3 1/2" N-Frame .357

You've read Elmer Keith, surely? He thought the short barrel deformed bullet bases and said that four inches should be the shortest .357.

Modern ammo shows that's not so. But you have a big, bulky gun. I've had three, two with six-inch barrel and one in 6.5 inch. Accuracy was on par with my Pythons, which is excellent. Expect all six bullets in one ragged hole at 25 yards, offhand, if you can shoot. I'd expect lower accuracy from that short barrel.

My favorite load in short .357's is Winchester 145 grain Silvertip. The FBI issued it to agents allowed to carry Magnum ammo, in their three-inch Model 13's. (Other .357's were also allowed.) Dallas PD issued it as their .357 round, too, although usually in longer barrels.

Velocity in a three-inch barrel is right at 1200 FPS. I prefer a 145 grain bullet to the light, barrel-burning 125's that may lack penetration on a large dog, deer, or bear. And I can use that ammo in K-framed .357's, too.

I asked a detective to check DPD files to see how the load fared in actual shootings, both at DPD and FBI. He said it worked VERY well; was "almost too destructive." (His words.)

Our member SIG-P220 .45 retired from the Bureau about three years ago. He can probably tell you more about that ammunition in FBI use.

I'd change to Federal 158 grain Hydra-Shok for any .357 hunting on animals bigger than coyotes, for probably added penetration, esp. on deer, and I'd take only side-on shots at deer, within 50 yards. My idea of a deer gun is my Winchester .270. But I bet that 145 grain Silvertip .357 in the lungs or heart will deliver venison. BTW, the Federal PR man told me that present Hydra-Shok 158's are quite good on deer.
 
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I think the 3 1/2 inch 27 is indeed one of the coolest/sexiest guns on the planet. If I had a beautiful Heiser rig, a wonderful 27, and cool grips, I’d carry it to the BBQ or perhaps the Smith&Wesson Symposium. No question. There is a reason Bill Jordan wanted a K frame .357 magnum for all day/every day carry. It’s a pure weight issue. I’m fortunate to have a lot of options. And I carry all the time. I love shooting my N frames. And I have a drawer full of holsters that I could use to conceal them. But I usually choose a lighter option.
 
FWIW I have 2, a very clean, reblued pre 27 I picked up from a good buddy for $1000. Bought her to carry and put some honest wear on the her new finish. The second one I recently found at an LGS. It’s an immaculate S series 27-2 for $1550+ I keep her for range play.

Been looking for a long time. May seem high to some, but to me both were worth the coin. In the the past couple years I passed on two others at 90%, both north of $1800 sans box.

Pre 27
27-2
 

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I love the 3.5" barreled .357 Magnums. They and their 8"+ versions are my favorite S&Ws.

I shoot this one regularly and love the way it shoots:



I also have a few more, some of which got some professional scratching done to them... They are a wonderful canvas for the engravers' art.









In general, the 3.5" Model 27 and its predecessors is one of the most desired and aesthetically pleasing guns to ever roll off the assembly lines of any gun manufacturer.:) ... I may be a bit biased.:D
 
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I paid a substantial amount more for my 4" pre 27 than I did my 3.5" pre 27.

That's cus 4" pre-27s were special order. 4"-3s replaced both the 3 1/2 and 5 inch guns as cataloged guns in 1980/81.

While 4 inch 27s aren't that common most folks don't recognize that ..... mine; a +90% Shooter's grade gun was about $600 out the door about 5 years ago....
 
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That's cus 4" pre-27s were special order. 4"-3s replaced both the 3 1/2 and 5 inch guns as cataloged guns.

While 4 inch 27s aren't that common most folks don't recognize that ..... mine; a +90% Shooter's grade gun was about $600 out the door about 5 years ago....

I don't think I'll be shooting my 4" pre 27 much, maybe not at all. I have a 520 and I don't think I'll be shooting that one much either.

However, I do plan on shooting my M58 a lot. Its the only 4" "shooter" that I have.
 
I don't think anyone here has seen my 3 1/2" 27's. I haven't posted them but a thousand times, so here goes 1001.

Didn't know we had so many ADP 27's on this forum. I got mine from a pawn shop selling at a gunshow. I asked the guy to hold it until I got back with my paperwork, when I returned 10 mins later another buyer was holding it. He hemmed and hawed as we say down here, must have held that thing 20 mins before setting it down. I love it. ADP 261


Pre 27 early with carved ivory steerhead


27-2, target hammer, trigger, stocks.
 
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I've got a 1953 3.5" Pre-27 in excellent condition.
Yep, I'm plumb proud to own it. :D
Accuracy: better than I am.
Ammo: whatever I decide to use that day. It don't care. ;)
Grips: the original Magnas with a Tyler T works for me.
Carry: Nope, its much too nice for that. :rolleyes:
 
I have a few 3.5" Model 27's but prefer the 3" K Magnum for carrying, my current favorites are the Model 65 Ladysmith and PC 19-7 K comp.

If you really want it to be an N frame the 8 shot 327 with lifetime warranty, increased capacity, RB grip frame and decreased weight makes alot more sense to me.
....If Im going through the hassle of carrying a 6 shot steel N frame its going to be a 4" Mountain Gun in .44 Magnum.
 
I don't think anyone here has seen my 3 1/2" 27's. I haven't posted them but a thousand times, so here goes 1001.

Charlie:

You can post those beauties every day of the week for an entire year and I don't think I would ever get tired of them. I especially love those KB Ropers on that nickel one. They really make an "impression" - just what the OP asked for.:D:)

Thanks for sharing,
 
my humble 3-1/2

my 4 screw s serial #in the box and liner that i made, and with my Ivory grips . the 27 deserves the best that you can give it .I lusted for 1 until i could afford it
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just had the grips schrimshawed
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I thought most 3.5” 27-2s came with magnas, but I see many with targets.
What’s the skinny?
 
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I can tell u I carried a n frame model 24-3 Lee Horton and it was perfect size
If u can find one of these short barreled n frames I prefer the round butt
Either way u can not get any better in your hand
God Bless,John
I love the finger groove combat grips too

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ME94: That service hammer on your gun would indicate to me that it could be an early 1950 shipped gun with serial number in the upper S95xxx to maybe S96xxxx serial number. The early ones shipped with the service hammer but it did not last long until they began to ship with what we now consider the standard hammer.
 
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