Sending a cylinder from US to Sweden

[Qball]

Been thinking of buying a .357mg cylinder for my modell 19
but no one seems available in Sweden.
(No problem finding .38spl though)
Would like to have it reamed to 9mm with moon clips.

It is even possible or would the cost be to much?

The cylinder is a licensed part here so i would need a permit first.

 

[Gunslinger808]

Whew, I bet it'll be a tap dance through the legalities to get one shipped.

The cylinder is a licensed part here so i would need a permit first.

If it is, you'll be required to provide an import permit or certificate from your government as well as the export application.
You'll also have to pay a "brokerage fee".
Here's the DPS-83, and the End User Statement you'll need (in PDF format):

http://www.pmddtc.state.gov/licensing/documents/DSP_83.pdf
http://www.ga-esi.com/contact/gaep-end-user-statement.pdf

 

[Thuer]

Hold on a minute. We have probably. model 19 cilinder on stock in Holland. I gonna check this out tomorrow.

 

[Qball]

To clearify my problem, the model 19 that i have is licensed forever.
If i buy another revolver, say a .38 the new licens needs renewal every 5years.
A cylinder will have a "parts licens" and be forever.

Thank you Thuer, a buy within the EU would be a lot easyer.
That is, if i can afford it

 

[tputto]

Qball, I think a .357 cylinder cannot be rechambered into 9mm, because chambers are too long and wide at front. A 9mm round will go halfway into the .357 chamber but no further, as 9mm is a tapered case and 357 is straight. If one were to ream 357 chamber wider at the rear to accept 9mm case, the bullet jump to chamber throat would be too long and throats would be oversize anyway for 9mm bullets (they are .355 whereas .357 is, well, .357-.358).

What you could do is get a 22 or 32 caliber cylinder, have a gunsmith rechamber it to 9mm, make extractor work with clips, and fit it to your M19. Even then your barrel would be slightly oversize so accuracy would probably be somewhat worse than with original 357 cylinder.

I am not a gunsmith so this advice is worth what you paid for it

edit: on second thought, .357 cylinder is longer than other K-frame cylinders so you cannot really use a smaller caliber cylinder for this project unless you replace the barrel too.

 

[jaykellogg]

What about rechambering a .38 spl to .357? You may have to proof fire it.

 

[Qball]

No problem tputto, you are right about the 9mm bullet.
How ever i have loaded .357mag with 9mm bullets before
using Swedish submachingun 39b bullets
It was a screamer, straight as a lazerbeam to 300 meters
Although to hot for using in a model 19, and the cylinder of my model 27
got a few nice dents in it, had to replace it
Was going to use it for IPSC shooting, i have moon clips for .38spl on the way
so the project is just on the drawingboard yet.

 

[Texas Star]

What about rechambering a .38 spl to .357? You may have to proof fire it.

Why isn't the M-19 cylinder already in .357? That's normal for the model.

A .38 cylinder is probably not suitable as steels and heat treatment are different for the .38 and .357. Also, a .38 cylinder is too short; the M-19 barrel extends less beyond the frame than a .38 barrel does. The .357 cylinder is longer.

 

[Qball]

What about rechambering a .38 spl to .357? You may have to proof fire it.

Sorry but the cylinder is to short to use in the model 19

 

[2152hq]

Whew, I bet it'll be a tap dance through the legalities to get one shipped.

If it is, you'll be required to provide an import permit or certificate from your government as well as the export application.
You'll also have to pay a "brokerage fee".
Here's the DPS-83, and the End User Statement you'll need (in PDF format):

http://www.pmddtc.state.gov/licensing/documents/DSP_83.pdf
http://www.ga-esi.com/contact/gaep-end-user-statement.pdf

You can't just write 'pencil holder' & 'gift' on the customs form and send it over?

 

[Gunslinger808]

You can't just write 'pencil holder' & 'gift' on the customs form and send it over?

Naw, what you really want to do is get to be friends with a member of the Counsulate, it's amazing the things that end up in those diplomatic pouches.

 

[WR Moore]

The .357 cylinder would be advisable from the standpoint of pressure. As to reaming the chambers for 9mm, that shouldn't actually be that much of a problem. However, machining the rear face of the cylinder & extractor for the moon clips might be an issue. Material will have to be removed from the cylinder breech & extractor.

I've never seen the factory guns that have been designed to use moon clips and don't know if there were design changes to place the extractor deeper into the cylinder (would also require a redesign of the extractor) or if there's enough meat in the extractor to allow the facing operation.