Remember 1861-1865. The Federal Government proved then that it is supreme and in the 1950 and 1960 it proved it again. The only thing different now is that the Federal Government has more power. Larry
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Remember 1861-1865. The Federal Government proved then that it is supreme and in the 1950 and 1960 it proved it again. The only thing different now is that the Federal Government has more power. Larry
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I'd suggest if I were a sheriff, rather than baiting the Feds, I'd keep quiet and just do my job (according to the Constitution).
I remember in the 70's when the Feds ordered the speed limit be reduced to 55 the states were told to do so or lose Federal $. Then they sent us (LEO) out to enforce it. Amazing how people obeyed that law. I never found anyone doing between 55 and 70, they were always at the speed limit or well over 75.
I remember in the 70's when the Feds ordered the speed limit be reduced to 55 the states were told to do so or lose Federal $. Then they sent us (LEO) out to enforce it. Amazing how people obeyed that law. I never found anyone doing between 55 and 70, they were always at the speed limit or well over 75.
Same here.
I remember in the 70's when the Feds ordered the speed limit be reduced to 55 the states were told to do so or lose Federal $. Then they sent us (LEO) out to enforce it. Amazing how people obeyed that law. I never found anyone doing between 55 and 70, they were always at the speed limit or well over 75.
Wyoming's law made it a violation for wasting fuel, rather than a moving violation and didn't go on their driving record.
I took an oath as a Peace Officer, not a gas cop.
I never did write a ticket for anything under the pre-existing speed limits.
Wyoming's law made it a violation for wasting fuel, rather than a moving violation and didn't go on their driving record.
I took an oath as a Peace Officer, not a gas cop.
I never did write a ticket for anything under the pre-existing speed limits.
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Yeppers, I never wote a speeding ticket either...but then again, I was never a local uniformed type.
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Lord love him.... in January this year, State Representative Joe Carr, from Tennessee's 48th District filed House Bill 0042, that would charge any Federal agent with a Class A Misdemeanor for enforcing or attempting to enforce a federal law, statute, rule, regulation or executive order that bans, restricts or requires the registration of any semi automatic firearm, firearm accessory or ammunition.
http://www.tn.gov/attorneygeneral/op/2013/op13-14.pdf
Unfortunately, in February this opinion on House Bill 0042 indicates such would violate the Supremacy Clause of the United States Constitution.
http://www.tn.gov/attorneygeneral/op/2013/op13-14.pdf
http://www.tn.gov/attorneygeneral/op/2013/op13-14.pdf
Unfortunately, in February this opinion on House Bill 0042 indicates such would violate the Supremacy Clause of the United States Constitution.
http://www.tn.gov/attorneygeneral/op/2013/op13-14.pdf
keith44spl
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We all know that there's a hell of a lot of open range between being in
violation of a statute and ever bein' convicted of same.
Officer discretion is always in play...Sometimes ya jest can't make a case.
Why would a County Sheriff or state law enforcement officer want to get his
teat caught in the wringer trying to enforce the federal code, when
federal prosecutors turn their nose's up at it...Unless of course you've got
it all wrapped up and tied with a nice neat bow for em.
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violation of a statute and ever bein' convicted of same.
Officer discretion is always in play...Sometimes ya jest can't make a case.
Why would a County Sheriff or state law enforcement officer want to get his
teat caught in the wringer trying to enforce the federal code, when
federal prosecutors turn their nose's up at it...Unless of course you've got
it all wrapped up and tied with a nice neat bow for em.
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Doe anyone find it interesting that the Feds will sue states and sheriffs for enforcing (or trying to) immingration laws, or tellling them they do not have the power to enforce Federal immigration law, but must enforce proposed gun laws that have not been passed yet??????
Citizens don't think like lawyers, and they usually aren't even much in the way of historians. There would be a lot of people here in Indiana (and I suspect elsewhere) who will not take at all kindly to having their duly-elected Sheriff scooped up by federal agents and hauled away as a result of some disagreement over misguided gun-control schemes. I'd bet that could turn really ugly pretty quickly. The big boys ought to think this through. Pray that everyone decides to take a step back, and a deep breath - or two. There are other ways to settle this dispute, if it comes to that.
model70hunter
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One has to love history and the lessons to be learned, unless one is a professional politician. Stalin and Adolf both used their respective federal powers to reduce any chance of folks standing up and saying no on an equal playing field.
It is oft quoted from our revolution, we either hang together or we hang separately.
I was reading an article on our Revolution and made a comment to my wife that the leaders of the colonies were the ones that made this happen and they were the ones who stood to lose the most if we were defeated.
My wife asked what would you do if we were in the revolution? I said I'd go fight. She said we have a paid for farm and lots of things. I said yes, if we did not fight we would have nothing and our children would have nothing. Freedom is the single most important gift one can have.
It is oft quoted from our revolution, we either hang together or we hang separately.
I was reading an article on our Revolution and made a comment to my wife that the leaders of the colonies were the ones that made this happen and they were the ones who stood to lose the most if we were defeated.
My wife asked what would you do if we were in the revolution? I said I'd go fight. She said we have a paid for farm and lots of things. I said yes, if we did not fight we would have nothing and our children would have nothing. Freedom is the single most important gift one can have.
DWFAN
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I smell a Revolution and we won't need no popcorn. I see this getting ugly. Red State National Guards are not going to try to subdue the locals. Blue States???????? No tellin. I can't see the military getting involved. Sons and daughters will not arrest their kin. I don't care who orders it.
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I think this is one of the biggest dilemmas facing the Feds. Being SURE who they can count on to do THEIR bidding when the call comes.
Basically their biggest support comes from Urban areas while their staunchest foes generally are rooted in LESS urban areas.
The US Federal Government has grown FAR too large and is out of control. It was never intended to grow into what it is today. Evil people have managed to do this. Unless it is reeled in, it will destroy the nation imo.
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mkess
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They will send the national guard from one state to handle another state. It won't be the local boys coming for you, it will be Georgia to California, new York to Minnesota, etc. But that will only happen if they actually decide to listen to their orders instead of going against the oath they took.
Vulcan Bob
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Man that old Chinese curse (May you live in interesting times) is coming home to roost on this side of the pond. I like my safe comfy life that I have but may have to give it up to defend home and hearth and my grand children's future. These are indeed interesting times!
A recent aquaintence I've met was in the US Army and stationed down near Selma, AL when all the unpleasantries began down there when the president enforced "Marshall Law". He worked with a local sherriffs department and was there to "assist" them when it came to a racial problem. He was working with the Military Police and rode along with the local county mounties whenever there was a dispute involving even the slightest chance of a racial problem.
He told me a number of stories regarding arrests being made and told me that he had the absolute highest regard for the two deputies he worked with, both of them showing equal respect for people breaking the law, he felt there was no racial barrier and he was a man of the south himself, a true southern gentleman. I had heard the term before but had never met a southerner that fit the term the way this old gentleman does...wouldn't say **** if he had a mouthful of it.
He told me a number of stories regarding arrests being made and told me that he had the absolute highest regard for the two deputies he worked with, both of them showing equal respect for people breaking the law, he felt there was no racial barrier and he was a man of the south himself, a true southern gentleman. I had heard the term before but had never met a southerner that fit the term the way this old gentleman does...wouldn't say **** if he had a mouthful of it.
Doug M.
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Non-issue. As a general rule, state and local LE are not capable of enforcing Federal law in and of itself. That's why, for example, special legislation or other grants of authority are needed to have state/local cops enforce the Motor Carrier rules, Immigration stuff, and a ton of other things. SImilarly, Feds cannot on their own enforce state law, municipal ordinances and the like without specific authorization.
I also note that NO citation is made to any proposed federal legislation by bill # - a sign that this is not actually in progress. As for the states that are looking at letting feds enforce some state laws, proposals for which citations appear to have been given - they may have their own reasons.
This is almost certainly 100% tin foil hat.
I also note that NO citation is made to any proposed federal legislation by bill # - a sign that this is not actually in progress. As for the states that are looking at letting feds enforce some state laws, proposals for which citations appear to have been given - they may have their own reasons.
This is almost certainly 100% tin foil hat.
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So true! That is what happens when you have activist judges, politicians, and elected officials. Its no longer what is best for the nation and its people, it becomes about control of the nation and its people!
You can control the future when you control the past history. How many of our children are being taught a different version of our history? Of prior wars? How many of them view Hitler as someone the government needs to protect us against vs protecting ourselves against a government that did that to their own people! That is why we have a 2nd amendment so that we can protect ourselves from our government, but also to stand up and fight with our government if needed.
sigp220.45
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Ya'll are in a tizzy over the feds, when the likelihood of new federal gun legislation is about nil.
You need to watch your state houses. All the really bad stuff is coming from them - do you suppose all these Sheriffs and staties are going to refuse to enforce STATE law?
Keep worrying about the feds while your neighbors sell you out.
You need to watch your state houses. All the really bad stuff is coming from them - do you suppose all these Sheriffs and staties are going to refuse to enforce STATE law?
Keep worrying about the feds while your neighbors sell you out.
Fishslayer
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They can have ours...
One little detail........
Lets not forget about the illegals on American soil that would love to take up arms against American Patriots that don't want to give the keys to the country away......It may not be brothers, sons or daughters, but there will be plenty to show us the business end of the fast and the furious. God bless us all.........Sorry, Just calling it as I see it.
Lets not forget about the illegals on American soil that would love to take up arms against American Patriots that don't want to give the keys to the country away......It may not be brothers, sons or daughters, but there will be plenty to show us the business end of the fast and the furious. God bless us all.........Sorry, Just calling it as I see it.
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