Shield 40 Mishap

knurled ring like the middle?

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It's called a cannelure, it's there by intent. The idea is it prevent setback and it is why you see it on premium SD/duty ammo, that often gets rechambered multiple times.

Cannelures come in various ways, sometimes it's a smooth ring other times it's knurled. Depends on manufacturer.

That's it. Thanks for taking the time to post the picture. Makes me a little more comfortable using it as one of my CC loads.
 
They will tell you to send them in to be looked at. Then they will email or call you back and tell you they were reloads.
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Contact them with it. I'd like to know there response myself.

Response from Federal today:
"The case cannelure (what you are describing) is for aesthetics only and will not affect the strength of the cartridge case. Certainly you should use this ammo and be confident in its performance."

Wonder why they didn't just admit it's purpose, as BlueovalBandit has already explained with his pictures above. I'm sure they'd go to the extra work for aesthetic purposes.
 
I had the same exact thing happen to new Federal HST when I loaded it into my 40c magazines. I had 12 or so between two magazines that had developed these same indentions. None of the remainders in the box had the dents. I sent a message and pictures to Federal. They told me it was a magazine spring that was too tight, asked if the magazine I loaded them into was new or had been used for a while. Seemed to me they need to make stronger casings. They were very helpful though and I did return the few damaged ones to them for inspection. I got a new box of 50 in return from Federal. None of the new ones have had issues so far.
 
This is not intentional and neither is is a problem. If the round fits in the chamber, it's OK.

Sometimes a thing called "stacking tolerances" gets you. When loading a round, if the brass is sized just a little on the small size, and the bullet is a little on the large size, this can happen. The bullet spreads the brass a little and that ring forms as the bullet is pressed into the case.

As long as it chambers OK, and isn't overloaded with powder, it will fire just fine. The "ring" has nothing to do with how much powder is in the case. You could only tell that by disassembling the cartridge.

These are some casings from rounds I fired:
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Looks bad, right? Not at all. The .40S&W generates more pressure than other rounds. So, because these were reloads, the case had already been weakened. Because the chamber takes the force, there was no hazard.

Now, sometimes a cartridge case gets mashed a little as the bullet is inserted. This crinkles the case and makes it so it won't fit in the chamber. These are not dangerous, but could get stuck in the chamber and won't extract easily.

What you pictured shouldn't be an issue.

THE HELL THAT ISN'T BAD!!!! :confused::confused::confused:

That is catastrophic failure. I've run maxed out Longshot loads several times through some cases to see if it wears the cases any in my M&P40c and if I needed to worry about causing a case head bulge. The chamber those were in was either way out of spec, the brass was seriously work hardened, or some other kind of massive fail. Either way that brass looks like it could vent in lots of different directions instead of just forward and it's a miracle if the case still managed to seal in the chamber. I've seen old cruddy milsurp brass split down the side and it still sealed up but those cases look shattered. I would say that lot of brass is either bad or something in your reloading regimen is killing your brass.
 
Ok, looks like on order... that was my first revolver, bought for the pocket. Never really used it much, maybe cause it's one of the ugliest guns ever made...:) but I sold it to a friend that was hounding me for it... I love my 351c, great pocket gun or iwb-owb... also it's kinda pretty.... the lightest gun I own... and 7 shot of fury!! After that, for the pocket, I use my BG380 and another I think a 637Pro, neat little ported barrel...
 
I experienced the dent on one side of the casing only with Federal HST .40 cal.
The top bullet was pristine, the next to the top was the worst. The bottom couple (the first to be loaded in the mag were under less spring pressure.) were hardly noticeable. Didn't notice it until I emptied a few mags to put FMJ practice ammo in them. They weren't like that from the box. I determined that it was from hand loading my mags & the dent was caused by forcing the bullet against the one below it. The rest of the HSTs were loaded with an Uplula loader & I no longer noticed it happening. I had new mags that were very stiff & hard to load. It hasn't occurred with any other types of ammo but then again most of what I loaded after that were with using an Uplula. I have a feeling, though that HST seems to have softer cases. Gold dots don't react that way with hand loading the mags nor do Critical Duty rounds. Loading American Eagle FMJ by hand showed no or little signs of denting.

I hesitate to shoot any of the dented ones.
 
Ok boyz.... this looks like it!!! I just took care of the bill... looks like we may be seeing a gun ship any day now!!! I want to thank everyone that donated for James, I'd like to post a name list to publicly thank everyone, but a few asked to be anonymous... you all know who you are!!

I want to thanks each and every one of you also. I also want to thank Jack for taking the time and effort to make something like this happen. :) I cant wait to get this 9mm Shield. Its exactly what I wanted in the first place. But I certainly didn't want to wind up getting it this way. I hope this never happens to anyone again. You just don't know the feeling till you get that big shock to your hands. I'm thankful that I wasn't hurt or my Dad that was standing next to me at the time it happened. Thank all you folks out there. I hope one day something good happens to you all like this has ended for me.
 
Just getting impatient Mr. C. Yes it's ordered.
You are correct, it is butt ugly but that humpback will go right in my pocket.
It's ugly and beautiful at the same time. :)

I'm in love with my M&P's, I just can't stop staring at them they are so gorgeous! Gotta have something ugly to look at sometimes.


I know brother, I will in a NY second.... but.... do you have one on order or are you waiting on a repair...

Ok, looks like on order... that was my first revolver, bought for the pocket. Never really used it much, maybe cause it's one of the ugliest guns ever made...:) but I sold it to a friend that was hounding me for it... I love my 351c, great pocket gun or iwb-owb... also it's kinda pretty.... the lightest gun I own... and 7 shot of fury!! After that, for the pocket, I use my BG380 and another I think a 637Pro, neat little ported barrel...
 
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Just getting impatient Mr. C. Yes it's ordered.
You are correct, it is butt ugly but that humpback will go right in my pocket.
It's ugly and beautiful at the same time. :)

Ya, I know.... I liked mine when I had it...


but now I got these..... Colt Agent, 637-2 ported barrel and my favorite... 351C... and the second picture is a No-Loc 642 for sale at my local dealers
 

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I swear I take something out of the vault every nite and every morning. I'm always checking something out, if nothing else, just to fondle a little bit. Tonite, it's the J-frames.... I have several more, 60's, 640, 36's... one of these days, I'm gonna do some family pictures...
 
VERY, Very nice!!
The lock is not an issue as it will be coming off when I get it.
Actually, if I haven't mentioned, I have the plugs coming and both .40's will be TS-less in the next few days.


Ya, I know.... I liked mine when I had it...


but now I got these..... Colt Agent, 637-2 ported barrel and my favorite... 351C... and the second picture is a No-Loc 642 for sale at my local dealers
 
Nice guns Turbo. I wish I had some more revolvers. I just have the 66 357mag in a revolver. Ginzo didn't you say your ordered that gun and paid last summer?? If so that's just unexceptionable.
 
Ordered a 638 from LGS/pawn shop about 6 weeks ago, no cash involved. He treats me like gold, same guy I always use. (But the cash is stashed)!!!! Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..............
This will be my 1st wheel gun.

Nice guns Turbo. I wish I had some more revolvers. I just have the 66 357mag in a revolver. Ginzo didn't you say your ordered that gun and paid last summer?? If so that's just unexceptionable.
 
Ordered a 638 from LGS/pawn shop about 6 weeks ago, no cash involved. He treats me like gold, same guy I always use. (But the cash is stashed)!!!! Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..............
This will be my 1st wheel gun.

That's not a wheel gun......., this is a wheel gun!! :D 500sw - 4"
 

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So when I get my new 9mm Shield I have about 500 rounds of Winchester White Box 147gr flat nose ammo. Is it ok to shoot these round out of the shield or should I stick with 115gr ammo? I aquired this ammo through a friend from a pallet of FBI practice ammo. I got it for $100 for 500 rounds about 4yrs ago. I have shot a box or 2 through my FS9mm M&P with no issues. Also do you guys use Hornady Critical Defense in your shield? I use it also in my FS9 with no issues.
 
I am thinking I will be shooting my 180gr 40 s&w ammo in my Hi Points after hearing the discussion about shield 40. I am not sure if the 135gr corbon and federal I have would be good in a shield also. Have you tried any of the 135gr in your carbine. Is there a prefered ammo you use in your carbine HP or JHP. Thanks
 
Jack do you know if Smith took the money off your card yet? Just curious. No one ever answered me about the 147gr FMJ rounds for the 9mm Shield. Anyone shoot any of it out of there Shield?
 
Jack do you know if Smith took the money off your card yet? Just curious. No one ever answered me about the 147gr FMJ rounds for the 9mm Shield. Anyone shoot any of it out of there Shield?
I don't have a Shield, but all of my 9mm ammo is 147gr. It is not +P and the 147gr doesn't make it so. Therefore, it should shoot fine in the Shield.
 
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